markus46 wrote:

How about addressing the questions!

I did not see any worthy questions you raised. If you have any questions then answer them is your business.

markus46 wrote:

Mate.  There is nothing complex about using your ears. If you really believe that "the only real motivation for TT upgrade (or change of any audio component) should be a person clearly defines for himself what specific sonic shortcomings his current TT has. Then, ONLY AFTER THEN, a new TT should do nothing else but addressing those specific shortcomings", then the major postulate of your audio views is simply wrong. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

Thanks for breaking it for me but you do not see me suicidal, do you?  This perception I linked, even the understanding of this perception is a truly truly evolved moment of audio thinking and very much not for everyone, certainly not for a majority of audio simpletons. Markus, I do not mean to assign you in to the group of simpletons but if you keep pitching to me the adolescent understanding of audio I will juts loose an interest to response to you. I truly have more interesting things to do then to prove to you my “credibility” - I hope you are adult enough to have something else to do besides to search the credibility from others. I would advise you to spend some time to read my site if you are interested, I presume you that you might have a lot of to discover about audio besides the sucking in the white papers, repeating the marketing slogans, and listening what others say about audio.

Paul S wrote:

Markus46, you are not alone in getting the idea that much fun is made at others' expense around here.  But try reading on for a while and see if some of it perhaps starts to make sense as you expand your context.

Paul S wrote:

So much of "Audio" is not only market driven, but it is plopped into a market that has been "pre-conditioned" to await and accept the current latest-and-greatest "break-through" or the solution-du-jour to the problem-du-jour, not unlike the pre-met-and-decided "fashions" for any given season, this by the "audio journalists" whose mission is precisely to SELL what they are given to sell.  Not a problem, I suppose, as long as everyone is aware of it; but at the same time, no real help, either.

Paul S wrote:

Perhaps at this point the Continuum looks to you like some Uber-'Table, who knows.

Paul S wrote:

Lots of non-native English speakers here, some with PhDs, etc., and likely more than a few ADHD, etc.  If you are sensitive it is probably best to limit exposure until you become inured.

Romy the Cat wrote:

This perception I linked, even the understanding of this perception is a truly truly evolved moment of audio thinking and very much not for everyone, certainly not for a majority of audio simpletons.

I had no idea it was all so complicated!  Here I was thinking you just turned on your stereo, put on a record or CD and enjoyed the music.  Put me down as one of the simpletons.

I know you wont mind if I don't read the rest of your highly evolved thinking about audio.  I'm afraid that if it contains more howlers like the one about the turntable upgrade, then it's simply not worth my time.  Not that I didn't enjoy driving a truck through the holes in that position!

I'll end my time with you by suggesting you get a document together of your posts about Fremer & co and make an appointment with a mental health practitioner as soon as possible.  I am serious.

Good luck!

Mark

markus46 wrote:

I don't believe that making fun at other people's expense adds value to a point of view.  Certainly not the foul language and vicious name-calling employed by Romy.

markus46 wrote:

Assuming you're in the market for a new component, then perhaps the middle ground is to read the whitepapers, reviews, web sites with an open mind.  Then listen yourself (preferably in your own home with your own gear) and make your own decision as to if there is an improvement and if that improvement is worth the asking price. My point is (again) that even though I am happy with my Linn LP12, Linn Basik LVX+ and Decca London Gold w/Garrot Bros. stylus, and can find no specific sonic shortcomings, I am open to the possibility that there could be something better out there.

markus46 wrote:

Having said that, I won't be spending any more time here.  As I said, I only stumbled across this site and thought I'd take Romy to task for some of his more outlandish comments.  Sadly it is the intellectual equivalent of stealing candy from a baby.

markus46 wrote:

Assuming you're in the market for a new component, then perhaps the middle ground is to read the whitepapers, reviews, web sites with an open mind.  Then listen yourself (preferably in your own home with your own gear) and make your own decision as to if there is an improvement and if that improvement is worth the asking price. My point is (again) that even though I am happy with my Linn LP12, Linn Basik LVX+ and Decca London Gold w/Garrot Bros. stylus, and can find no specific sonic shortcomings, I am open to the possibility that there could be something better out there.

drdna wrote:

Well, I think it is just his style.  He calls 'em as he sees them.  Romy, you don't actually hate Michael Fremer do you, more just despise what he does, right?

This is an interesting question. I think that I am more driven in this by hated then by despise. The state of despise imply actions I do not support.  I do not despise the specific actions of the Fremer and the rest of the reviewing woof pack but rather I contempt the frame of mind that drive those people. This is rather a hate then despise as it directed to the state of being instead of to the specific actions. So, what I hate in those people? I hate a very fundamental and very deep-sited premise that somebody can practice audio for anything else then for himself or herself. I do practice audio and quite extensively as one might say. However, I clearly understand that whatever I do in audio has the only one beneficiary – my own objectives, my iown  nterest and my own  gratification. I do not care about anybody else’s benefits, it might not sound friendly but it is what it is.  The Framer and the Co. claim that the elected group of retarded criminals or just plain idiots made their agenda to practice audio for the benefits of other. What a foolishness! I have no problems juts to generically hate this stupid notion and consequentially to wipe my feet off any idiot-conformist who is involved into the propelling” of this foolish belive.

Then the “style” comes. I truly do not care and do not need those people – so, how would you treat the people whom you do not need and whose mind you hate?

Anyhow, what I wrote the initial satire about the Framer I was not driven by hate but rather by fun. If I have time I would write up the similar about any public audio figure. The Australian Markus’ complains I throw away – he is in too premature state and too far from general audio awareness – a little zombie heard something off the bitten path and he got disoriented and confused… It is like in MacDonald to ask any for a mill with some kind of atypical customization and they look at your like you are a war criminal…

This there is not about the Continuum TT but about the idiocy of Mike Framer, that was so nicely illustrated. Still if someone interested about the Continuum direction then here is David Robinson’s article and his observations.

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue45/continuum.htm

I did not read it yet but the format that Mr. Robinson selected suggest that it might be an interesting write up. Since it was not sponsored but this Frameing reviewing retard there is change that the new TT might sound better....

It looks to me like a most commendable review, with considerable time spent in set-up.

clark

Stitch wrote:

Let's see what Framer will find next...got a mail from Australia that Continuum has Production Problems. Also some master brains left the company... Well, I did listen 3x to the big Continuum, 2x it was more or less defect. The last time 1 channel didn't work, probably the connected Phono Stage or the set up "specialists" killed the cartridge...anyway, these guys were absolutely unable to find a problem (or the unit had so much they didn't where to start)... That's High End.

Romy the Cat wrote:

It is incredibly rare that an audio makers can express pure and unadulterated interest in Sound, interest that is wider and then boundary of own product or own field.

I agree, I met maybe only 1 or 2 who really knew from what they talk. Your writing about how this System works is complete and there is nothing to add. Maybe it is even worse. Yes, I think, it is even worse.

There is no difference made between a product which is really good and complete nonsense. Your Micro Seiki experience is very well written, final too.

I know Importers who tell me, they have to give away their cartridge (or another one) for getting a review, a former Basis Importer told me years ago he got a call from an Audio Magazine (the most known in his country) and they told him they want to list the Basis Debut Vac. newly as their Reference Turntable.

He answered, that this is a nice idea, he always knew that this is a very good Turntable but when he remembers right, they never listened to one.

The answer was, well, who cares, our Reference System listed for the last 3 years were all German units and now it is time for a change, they want American made units now (new Importer Advertisings....)

Btw. it wasn't done, the Importer was not willing to give them that Turntable for free and also the US Manufacturer refused to give one for free also.

They found a German manufacturer who agreed and the Ball was rolling again...

Years later, I think nothing changed.

steverino wrote:

I agree that the published curves don't look bizarre for a box speaker.