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steverino
Posts 377
Joined on 05-23-2009

Post #: 21
Post ID: 27962
Reply to: 27961
Cycling

i have respect for Hurwitz particularly when he advocates for the lesser known but musically excellent compositions of prior eras. When it comes to the mainstream repertoire I think people just need to find their own way through it. Like Beethoven there are a plethora of Bruckner symphonic cycles that are well played but rather generic  Personally I think Bruckner is too varied a composer over his symphonic career to be easily captured across the whole.  These days with all kinds of videos available I recommend that people listen widely before making any firm judgments about ranking performances.
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 22
Post ID: 27963
Reply to: 27962
Not Something I Do, Myself...
Steve, I have a few old classical cycles that I bought cheap, in my youth. That was MANY years ago, and I own zero Bruckner cycles. I am not referring anyone to this video in order to encourage anyone to choose Bruckner cycles to buy, rather I hope people will listen to Hurwitz closely enough to understand that he is actually saying that the best performances are where one finds them, and further that one tends NOT to find more than 1 or 2 great preformances in any cycle/set. There might be people who "get" Bruckner right away, but I expect most people will have to spend some time developing their personal sense of what's going on and what matters in a given Bruckner performance before they can make heads or tails of it.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,284
Joined on 05-28-2004

Post #: 23
Post ID: 27964
Reply to: 27962
I do not like when David does it.
David for sure has encyclopedic knowledge in recorded music and he's judgment in many instances very interesting, even though he gravitates towards to symphonic orthodoxy but I gravitate mostly to performing event. One thing that David does I very much don't like. It is exactly when he go over his completely unnecessary reviews of best cycles. I have absolutely no idea why he does it as while he does it he got converted from musical conasour with acquired taste into consumer protection advocate who tried to suggest best deal for back. I have absolutely zero interest in those type of the reviewing. To review the cycles buy a conductor or by an orchestra is perfectly fine thanks but to make them compete based upon some kind of abstract, ridiculous and completely unnecessary hierarchy to me sounds ridiculous.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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steverino
Posts 377
Joined on 05-23-2009

Post #: 24
Post ID: 27965
Reply to: 27963
Not my intent
Paul,  Just a style point with me. If I am responding specifically to someone I will either start with their name or include a quote. So my comment was intended to the Hypothetical Other to support the mention of Hurwitz as a commenter but just to specify what areas I consider him  to be most valuable. So for lesser known artists and works I consider him to be invaluable and for mainstream widely available repertoire less so. And yes like you I find extended symphonic cycles to not be uniformly successful. Regards
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dady
Posts 8
Joined on 07-28-2005

Post #: 25
Post ID: 27967
Reply to: 27965
About David and the opinion about the symphonic cicles
 steverino wrote:
Paul,  Just a style point with me. If I am responding specifically to someone I will either start with their name or include a quote. So my comment was intended to the Hypothetical Other to support the mention of Hurwitz as a commenter but just to specify what areas I consider him  to be most valuable. So for lesser known artists and works I consider him to be invaluable and for mainstream widely available repertoire less so. And yes like you I find extended symphonic cycles to not be uniformly successful. Regards

I have been watching several of David's videos, the critic and creator of a magazine; for a layman like me, and I think for many more supposedly experienced listeners, it is a very useful product since in a simple way, perhaps mockingly, although this last is a technique of his horizontality and good receptivity as a critic, it nevertheless helps a lot, but much more than one can imagine. In all judgments of any kind it is necessary to trust in one aspect, nobody is absolutely right and above all in giving an opinion about what art is, it is subjective. Regarding the complete cycles of symphonies, this is an advantage for the listener since it allows in a flat way to obtain all the production of the composer. Surely there will be some favorites for some director, or that that day the musicians were very well concentrated or inspired and gave a good performance. It happens for example with the Tintner cycle that with common orchestras he achieved singular works. Not everything that glitters is gold, nor is everything that smells rotten.
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