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In the Thread: ... and some Bruckner buzz
Post Subject: Celibidache and the tempos...Posted by dady on: 3/12/2025
 Romy the Cat wrote:
 dady wrote:
Hello everyone, the series of that Rundfunk symphony from Stuttgart and I think they are from a different label than the one he used when he was last married with his own orchestra here were from EMI and already had the label of his Zen Buddhism. The other day I received those from the Deutsche Gramophon from Stuttgart and I have only heard the octave which has a tempo that is quite slower than the usual ones. But something that the great Sergiu did was to thin out the music so that it could be experienced in all its extension, both in the volumes as well as in the emphasis of making one group of instruments shine over another. Enjoy it, my friend.
I do not particularly feel that Celibidache was a genius but I certainly feel that he was genius in Anton Bruckner. I heard some of his recordings of none Brucner and it was not so special. Some of the things he did with Bruckner are completely transcendent. For instance with all my appreciation of B7 I almost felt that the 3rd movement is so light and so stupidly dancing that it should not be in that symphony. Celibidache in one of his recordings completely reversed my view. He typically plays slow but in that specific performance, it was probably  63367842 times slower than he typically does it. And it was absolutely majestic. That stupid repetitive nature kind of gun because you do not remember what was 10 minutes ago, and that whole moment was like a hole independent symphony is that you wish never stop. I remember when the first time hurt I was mesmerized and I truly feel it was absolutely new world in the Bruckner musicology. But I need to admit, is it I generally have very heavy bias for music play significantly slower then it is. I even have my Denon DJ CD player, that sounds horribly but that allowed to adjust is the speed of the play. Sometimes I'm deeply intentionally play some music mach, mach slower. I even fantasized to have an options to reduce the speed of CD playing resolve to reducing the pitch...


Hello Romy, thank you for being here. The marriage between Celibidache and the maestro Bruckner is one of the most transcendental. I believe it has put the utmost emphasis on unraveling and unraveling the music of the genius from San Florián.I don't feel qualified to make a comparative assessment, given that recordings are never made with the same standards, neither acoustically nor technically. Thus, the microphone positions, their balance, the desire and ability of the sound engineer, and their artistic sensitivity, which ultimately will also establish a bias in the production. Finally, other factors that I don't know in greater depth make it impossible to establish an objective comparison.Even less so for a layman like me to have the audacity to make a judgment.However, as with the choice of a wife, I have liked the three I have had, and they were different. Because they also interacted with me during different stages of my life. I want to focus this entire comment on the subjective appreciation of Bruckner's symphonies by none other than the greatest conductors.Regarding speed, I think the time has come to be able to lower tempos without changing the key. You'd have to load the information from the CDs and work with a computer. I haven't done this myself, but reading your post makes me wonder if I should do it. I believe there are some DJ players that have been able to do this for a long time, although I'm not sure if the fidelity for which they were designed is powerful enough to avoid introducing distortion. Best regards to you and to the occasional members who read this post.

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