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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 81
Post ID: 29515
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More about cable elevators..
 Paul S wrote:
Great answer, Romy, at least for me. I still like Camus the more for excluding Stalin (the person), even at the expense of Sartre, and of course I do not conflate Communism with... whatever. I like the way you are working with language here, like a young Peirce. Dialog may still be possible, to judge by that post.

Paul S
Mike, it’s interesting that you mentioned dialogue. Yesterday I had a conversation with my audio friend about how my thinking on audio has evolved over the last four years. I brought him up to date on where I am now and asked whether it makes sense to speak about this publicly. His reaction was that almost no one would be able to understand it. He is right about the difficulty of comprehension, and wrong about the significance of that difficulty.


I’m seriously considering recording a video and laying the whole thing out, not as advocacy, but as clarification. I’m no longer surprised by where I ended up; in retrospect, the trajectory is coherent and almost unavoidable. What has lost all mystery for me is how trivial, and often absurd, most of our so-called audio frustrations appear once you step back and examine the objectives that drive them. In audio, and in music more broadly, many of those objectives are poorly examined substitutes for meaning, transcendence, or control, and the frustration they generate is largely self-produced.

From a certain perspective, the consumption of musical or audio experience unfolds in a vacuum, detached from its own sonic, aesthetic, and ultimately even ethical context. At this point the act of composing and listening cease to be primarily sensational and become informational, a form of communication operating at the level of consciousness itself. When techniques emerge that allow communication directly at that level, much of what we produce as music—those shamanic, quasi-ritual gestures of shaking air with instruments or machines—begins to lose its centrality.

This is a delicate threshold. Music can serve as an initiator of a conscious stream, a structured sequence that catalyzes awareness, perhaps even guiding possibility into experience. But the conscious stream does not belong to music. There is a subtle and essential decoupling between musical intention—the attempt to evoke consciousness—and the consciousness that arises in response. Music may open the door, but what passes through it is no longer musical in nature.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,412
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Post #: 82
Post ID: 29517
Reply to: 29515
.... and I have answers...
I am a little afraid that Jarek, after reading the end of my last post, will reply, “Roman, what you are describing is just a sequential collapse of the wave function in quantum field” Jarek might be a thousand times wrong about cables elevators, but he would be right about that. There are millions of mysteries in this field, but missing the biggest one is inexcusable: how the fuck did Bach, three hundred years ago, without knowing any of this, operate flawlessly at that level?


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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rowuk


Germany
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Post #: 83
Post ID: 29518
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Operating flawlessly
When the stars line up, magic can happen, regardless if it is DPOLS or Bach's oevre.
What lined up?First and foremost, his talent that in childhood was nurtured inside the family.
Then the "apprenticeship" programs of the day that focussed on the rules and regulations of church music composition (this is a HUGE deal).
Opportunities to get paid with the requirement to create functional music weekly
To have ensembles capable of performing this level of work
Then the requirements to train the choir, organise the soloists, get the orchestra musicians all on the same page
To have creative texters that provide him with the libretti for his works
To have Gottfried Silbermann making magnificent organs
To have public acceptance for new tuning strategies
To have wives fine tuned to give him the space that he needed
To have clergy in the church willing to cooperate
To have a baroque era that was full of cultural, technical discovery AND financing
To have prolific colleagues like Vivaldi, Telemann and Händel
There is a huge amount of additional factors


So we see that Bach was a child of his times. Never since have we had anyone cranking out that quantity of meaningful works. There is immense depth to any one of the things listed.


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.
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