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PeterA
Posts 18
Joined on 04-29-2021

Post #: 21
Post ID: 27837
Reply to: 27835
Perfectly comfortable
 Romy the Cat wrote:
I see your point. You feel uncomfortable with my declaration of the third Way is the right way. Or even worse, me proclaiming that it is the only right way.  It makes sense to be uncomfortable with this position. However, I make this proclamation not because it is what I feel I am doing. It is not about me as a person but it is an abstract conversation about methodological purity to achieve let's call it "neutrality". I very intentionally put this word in the quotes. I still insist that that way is that only predictable, repeatable and significantly less prone to mistakes and wrong directions approach. Would it be something that I practice or not is completely irrelevant to the sake of this conversation. I'm truly looking beyond your or my or anybody else personal practice.

It is not about me feeling uncomfortable.  I simply pointed out your contradiction about not being in a group.  You describe the third approach as practiced by activists, not observers.  That makes it a group too.   And you are in it.   I agree that it is not about me or you, but you make it about you when you say that you do not join cults while implying that others do.  I also pointed out to you that I do not cower in the corner saying "Please do not hurt me" as someone in group #2.  Don't hurt me and being in the safety under an umbrella is a strange way to describe the very people you want to have an abstract conversation about methodological purity with.

I am perfectly comfortable discussing methodology and any declaration you might make.  My goal is to try to understand what you are saying.  It may be all too subtle as you said, but just when the conservation starts a back and forth, you move on changing the subject.  Forget about my comfort or yours.  You started this thread of ideas by describing exactly my and your and anybody else's personal practice.   This is how you set up the different approaches.  Now you want to move beyond them, just as the details were becoming clear.

 It looks like you want to think out loud and talk to yourself.    I might read and listen now.


American Sound AS2000; Lamm LP1, LL1.1 Sig, ML2; Vitavox CN-191
DIY signal cables, rack, Ching Cheng power cords
System link: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/natural-sound.32867/
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,228
Joined on 05-28-2004

Post #: 22
Post ID: 27838
Reply to: 27837
The third elusive Third Way
I see. Let me to clarify my position. I insist that practicing kind are there in the third way there is no longitudinal connections, at least I have seen very little. This is by nature eliminate a necessity or ability to cluster people who practice the third way into any kind of groups. It's my appear like a group in a classification order, but in reality people have no communication channels, at least in the format of the language which currently exist in high-end audio. If you are third wayer then that solution anthropologist which work for you might or might not work for me predictably. That predictability is a major aspect here. In order to me embrace your solution I need to filter it over the prism of my reference points, which itself, make it not methodologically sound. Pun is not intended. 

If you say that it is a B# key, 247 mega electron volts or color #45375 then we all understand it longitudinal because we have a common coordinate system. In audio we have none. For instance recently I discovered completely new topology of subwoofers, not necessarily subwoofers it's not necessary to apology but entire New philosophy how subwoofers as a concept might be used. It's maybe objectively measured by a specific parameter which does not exist in a common perception of sound. So how people, who pursue in a way their own listening objectives, using their own topological decisions, and having no language to communicate can be form in any kind of group? I think it is impossible by default and in my view it is actually a benefit of the Third Way rather than disadvantage.

And the last thing. Being in safety under an umbrella of selected and completed products is not an accusation in any way of form and I am far from criticizing it. Just pretend is that you but your own experiments develop interest in something that your current configuration, very very safe configuration, cannot handle. Then you are exposed to dilemma. When you begin think and conceptualize about the solution for this dilemma then you begin to develop your own entrance into the Third Way.  Peter, in your case you had David who brought to you well preselected and very well performing elements and it was in a way ship and drop solution. Now pretends it geometry of your room cannot support the Whitavox corner horns, which is very frequently the case. What would you do? Find another loud speakers or make sensible efforts to make those corner horns to work in your specific application. The actions that you're going to be performing to make the Vitavox horns to perform successfully in your room will be exactly exploring out there in the Third Way.
 
PS: By the way, when David come to houses of his customers and ripping away all the stupid acoustic treatments is that most of his customers senselessly put here and there heat operates exactly by principles of the Third Way, but proactively moderate sound in room. It is not about observing naturality but about making actions to make naturality possible.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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PeterA
Posts 18
Joined on 04-29-2021

Post #: 23
Post ID: 27839
Reply to: 27838
Not just sitting and watching
in my system thread about my old system, sublime sound, I describe doing just that. I completely changed the acoustics and speaker positioning, and set up to create nationality in my system.   I did the same thing in my new system long before David visited.   I applied lessons. I learned from the previous set up, but this time with corner horns and different equipment.  I designed my rack and support system, very actively assembling parts and listening.   You are the one that describes the second way, natural sound, as an observation.   That is not me.   Everyone I know who has the same target, chooses the gear And then it’s very active about getting the sound they want for their room.   It is not someone coming to set things up for them.   I’m about to start on a project reconstructing one of the corners of my room to better suit the needs of the corner horns.   

He approach is very personal and individual.  What I have in common with a handful of people is a similar target.   How we get there is up to us individually.  Everything is about learning and better understanding to move ahead.  I understand that I only have two drivers and one amplifier so that I do not have the flexibility of a six way horn tower with base modules for shaping.   The lack of maximum flexibility is a limitation, but that is fine with me for right now. 


American Sound AS2000; Lamm LP1, LL1.1 Sig, ML2; Vitavox CN-191
DIY signal cables, rack, Ching Cheng power cords
System link: https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/natural-sound.32867/
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