JANDL100 wrote:

Romy the Cat wrote:  JANDL100 wrote: Yes, please - I would very much like copies of Nanut conducting Mahler 7 8 9 & 10 - that would be wonderful!   (I will put together some more, interesting CDRs for you too!). Jerry, I forgot to ask. I have sent to you quit a while back a pile of CD, including the Nanut’s late Mahler symphony. Did you have a chance to get/listen them? The caT Hi Romy - No, they have not arrived yet.   International post can be slow at the moment - I sent some CDs to Australia - they took 6 weeks to arrive!

JANDL100 wrote:

The Barbirolli / VPO Brahms 4 is waaaay too slow for me though - I just cannot get into the music when it's played that way.   I do like some "slow" classics though - I love the way Celibidace slows a lot of music down - I heard a Celi concert of the Brahms Requiem live in London's Royal Festival Hall about 25 years ago that took about 85 minutes !! - absolutely mind-blowing, just unbelievably wonderful - sorry, but Barbi is not in that class, imo.

I disagree, this Brahms 4 does insultingly slow but it has own very own merit, When we hear it for a first time it feels like a slow move but eventually you might grow on it. it is not about an absolute tempt but how the rest of the play is mapped to the given selected tempo. Barbirolli/VPO does here absolutely phenomenal job and I pretty mu consider it as my “the best Brahms 4”. Well, perhaps not the best but the most interesting.  As it allow to look much deeper and much longer into nuances. It is like when we about to have sex with unattractive woman: we would like her take her cloth off and jump into the bad for actions. In a contrary, what the woman very attractive we would like to prolog the process of undressing and foreplay as long as possible as it gives to us an esthetic pleasure to observe what is going on. The same with Barbirolli playing this Brahms 4 during the festival… Though I do admit that I am big sucker for Barbirolli generally and he is my one of the most beloved conductors.

JANDL100 wrote:

The Nanut Mahler I have had a brief listen to so far - hmmm ... the sound is a bit unpleasant, kind of harsh and forward, far from ideal in Mahler -  I'm going to have to play with some equalisation here, I think.

Yep, I do not like the rest of the Nanut Mahler at all. That Mahler 6 I think was a big accident….

JANDL100 wrote:

By the way - have you had a chance to listen yet to the Shostakovich Piano Quintet played by the Trio di Torino that I sent.  Must admit that I think it is very special!

Yes, it was good; I was looking the original CD to buy but was not able to found it. I always buy the original CDs if I like the CDRs

OK! - I will listen to the Barbi/Brahms 4 some more!

Romy the Cat wrote:

JANDL100 wrote: By the way - have you had a chance to listen yet to the Shostakovich Piano Quintet played by the Trio di Torino that I sent.  Must admit that I think it is very special! Yes, it was good; I was looking the original CD to buy but was not able to found it. I always buy the original CDs if I like the CDRs The caT

 You can find the DSCH CD here on eBay .... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CD-Shostakovich-Trio-di-Torino-Piano-Trio-no-1-2_W0QQitemZ200196281297QQihZ010QQcategoryZ43581QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Jerry

Romy the Cat wrote:

Yep, I do not like the rest of the Nanut Mahler at all. That Mahler 6 I think was a big accident…. The caT

Jerry,

Why you are so afraid of the notion of accidentally good performance – it always happens and I do not see in it any sign of negativism. Since your introduction, listening many of the Ljubliana recordings, I would  say  that  I rather dislike then like the Ljubliana orchestra. Still, at it is apparent in Mahler 6, they have their moments. You feel that Bruckner 8 and Beethoven 7 were also good, OK, they were for instance - anything else? :-) I do not think that it would be a lot more. I am sure  that someone who likes and specializes in Ljubliana and Nanut would knew that specific moments in the conductor and the orchestra live when they demonstrated better results. I am not intimately familiar with Slovak musical scene, so I get the things as they are.

I do not judge Nanut as “more World Class” of less “World Class”. Boston Philharmonic is a crappy semi-armature orchestra but the last Monday’s broadcast they demonstrated the last movement of  Bruckner 5  that would turn any orchestra in the world to be jealous … Those accidental successes do happen, nothing wrong with it but they would not make me to buy more BPO recordings.

I am very compulsive of musicians consumption and after listening quite a few of Nanut interpretation I would say that he is not a conductor whose work I would buy juts because it was conducted by Nanut. I might say that if I have an interest in a musical peace and somebody like Barbirolli or Scherchen  conducted the peace then I would buy their performances juts because they was Barbirolli or Scherchen  (just to name a few) . As good as Nanut is, I did not develop a  feeling that really need the Nanut’s take on specific music. I can buy “another recording”  of a work juts because it was made by Rafael Kubelik, or Koussevitzky, or Myung Whun Chung, or Mravinsky, or Crauss. I do not know if the Nanut’s interpretation migh be something that I would be specifically searching.

Perhaps we mean different things by the word 'accident'.  For me, an accidently great piece of art would be if I painted things at random on a canvas and it 'accidentally' turned out to be identical to a masterpiece by Rembrandt.  Pure chance.   I could try again a billion times, and it would not happen again.

For me, Nanut has shown that he is a World Class conductor because he has repeated this 'accident' quite a few times - Bruckner 8, Mahler 6, Beethoven 7, Beethoven 3 and several more of the Beethoven symphonies.

That is not an 'accident' by my way of thinking.

JANDL100 wrote:

I'm glad the discs have arrived OK.  The Nanut Eroica is good - the Bruckner 8 is GREAT.  You must listen to it soon!

Jerry,

I might intellectually understand what you are saying but my personal experiences protest. The Nanut's Bruckner 8 is kind of “overly articulate without course”. When I hear Nanut I feel like a short-hair Abyssinian Cat is trying to fuzz herself up in order to appear larger. The attempts are there but they do not result in my consequential listening experiences – I am loosing the “flow” of Bruckner 8 in the Nanut version.

I have to admit that I am not overly advanced Bruckner 8 listener. I for instance never heard it “live” and never heard a version that would sell the symphony for me. When I heard the Schuricht with Vienna it was like totally different experience – it was the sequence of events that suddenly made sense to me and they were flew once into another with wisdom, grace and meaning. Perhaps after make my mind poisoned with Schuricht I need to try Nanut again? Anyhow, as now I feel that Schuricht version is the only version that I have that actually make Bruckner 8 as exiting symphony, the one that I can listen and be sorry that I need to go and flip those damn records 3 times (here is what FM is so much better).

BTW, Jerry, shoot me again you address and I will send you an absolutely amassing Bruckner 5 by Zander, with Boston Philharmonic that I recorded in April. That Bruckner 5 does to me with the fifth the very same what Schuricht does to me with the Eighth – it has the succession of Brucknerian events that are so individually meaningful and so tightly connected that the entire 75 minutes of the symphony make themselves swallowable like a one seep of water – the great great Bruckner 5…