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tuga


Posts 174
Joined on 12-26-2007

Post #: 21
Post ID: 7940
Reply to: 7938
Your link is dead
 Antonio J. wrote:
for the sounds being made up of a fundamental and overtones going in opposite directions. You'd need to know if the X are for the fundamentals, so you'd be a "fundamentals listener" if having many "correct" answers, or if the X mark the overtones, in which case you'd be an "overtones listener" in case your choices match that key. I think the file in the link I provided offers a better understanding of each individual results.<BR><BR>Rgrds


Antonio,

Your link isn't working.

As for the key I had said before that:

 tuga wrote:
<BR>"The more your results agree with this list, the more you are a fundamental tone hearer. If your result is the exact inverse of the above, you are a pure overtone hearer."<BR>


Saludos,
Tuga


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Antonio J.
Madrid, Spain
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Post #: 22
Post ID: 7941
Reply to: 7940
Try it later
I've known that the website is on maintenance works, it should open as expected later today or maybe tomorrow. In any case once stated the X are marking the "pure fundamental hearer" choice, the results using the key chart you provided are the same.

I wonder if anyone in this site has answered the test and found any correlation between his results and his "sound preferences", or has an experience similar to mine.

Rgrds
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drdna
San Francisco, California
Posts 504
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Post #: 23
Post ID: 7945
Reply to: 7941
Tone and musical preferences
Hi Antonio,

This was a very interesting test; thanks for the key.  My n=2 self-test concurs with your results.  I scored as a pure overtone listener, and I listen to primarily classical and jazz music.

However, is it possible that you are confused about the key?  My girlfriend, who is a professional musician, took the test to humor me.  She also scored perfectly as a pure overtone listener.  However, when I informed her of this she diagreed strongly, saying:

"I think you have your answers mixed up.  When I listened to all those chords, in each case the fundamental was going in the opposite direction rest of the tone cluster.  You didn't tell me what to do, so I gave my answers based on the direction of the fundamental. I think you are confused."

Is she correct or was she just being drunk and argumentative?

Regards,
Adrian
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Antonio J.
Madrid, Spain
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Post #: 24
Post ID: 7946
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I didn't look at the key

so I'm not sure if it's correct following the sound files or not. I got both files, the tones and the key, from the same website I posted earlier, so I suppose they did it right.
As soon as I started the test and noticed how it was designed, the overtones going in one direction while the fundamental was in the opposite, and that I clearly was able to differentiate them, I stopped writing down the answers. I decided that it was impossible for the test to determine my kind of "natural hearing". There was no point to make the test "properly" since you're not supposed to do it right or wrong, you should hear just one sound going up or going down, and I was hearing the two, so I could choose being a pure fundamental, a pure overtone or a mix of both hearer. Not the purpose of the test.

As I see it, it's designed to know how you're hearing, and you're supposed to answer following your instinct perceiving the sound, as a whole, going up or down. If I was hearing its parts going both ways... Funnily enough the acquaintancies that passed the test answered without noticing its design and really feeling that there was a whole tone. Some of them were "audiophiles" supposed to differentiate minute changes in the sound of a system hehehehehe.

I suppose that had I passed this test ten or more years ago, I'd have replied following my natural hearing, which I guess is more of a fundamental hearer than of an overtones hearer, but I can't be sure. Did you notice any natural tendency of yours to hear more the overtones, or you just decided to answer paying attention just to them?

Rgrds

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rowuk


Germany
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Post #: 25
Post ID: 18463
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The recording ART?
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I think that there is an additional "musical" factor in older recordings. The recording engineers were often not technical people, rather had strong musical background themselves. I believe that they did have a different goal based on the tools that they had at their disposal.

The purchase of recordings was a special thing before we were flooded with media. Conductors offered readings that had the spontaneity of live concerts. There was no editing possibility, the musicians had their shot and it was the job of the engineer to preserve it. 

Harvey Fletcher (of Fletcher-Munson fame) wrote his "Symposium on Wire Transmission of Symphonic Music and its Reproduction in Auditory Perspective" in 1934. The limits of human hearing, dynamic range and geometric perspective (imaging) were quantified. Hardware decisions were made to "transport" an original event somewhere else. This was pioneering at its best.  One phrase sticks with me in conjunction with the coupling of the Academy of Music in Philadelphia and Constitution Hall in Washington D.C. (27. April 1933) for this experiment:

"Judging from the expression of those who heard this concert, the development of this system has opened many new possibilities for the reproduction and transmission of music that will create even a greater emotional appeal than that obtained when listening to the music coming directly from the orchestra through the air".

Yes, the engineers had a message for us. They had a bigger goal than reaching markets. They were focussed on capturing/preserving the moment and the musical intentions of the conductor. I am not sure that from their perspective it was "implied". We just do not know what the conductor wrote into the engineers copy of the score!

I have spent much time with the older microphones. They are like musical instuments with very special character. The engineer had to know how to "play" these instruments, and many fell in love with the special ones that fit their concept.


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