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guy sergeant
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Liszt Piano Sonata & Chaconne by Busoni+Bach
Hi Romy

Do you have favourite versions of these pieces preferably recorded in the last 50 years
Would they be by the same pianist or does the Liszt require particular capabilities of the player perhaps not needed by the Chaconne.

Excuse the absence of punctuation. I am on a computer in Estonia and the keyboard keys dont do what they suggest they might.

Plenty of great (and cheap) Melodiya and other LPs by many artists Im sure youd be familiar with.
Plenty of live music too. Ive seen both of the above performed in spectacular fashion.

best regards

Guy
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Romy the Cat


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Re: Liszt Piano Sonata & Chaconne by Busoni+Bach


Hey, Guy.

The pre-Baltic countries are a nice place to be – quite interesting people in there, although thier women behave like they just were taken out of a freezer. :-) They kind of facially less-reactive and less-responsive than the girls-southerners. Also, screw the Melodiya records! I really disgust to hear how the cockroaches’ legs, sticking out of Melodiya records, scratch my needles…

Regarding the Liszt Piano Sonata. It is a magnificent peace but it really wasn’t an epicenter of my attention. I have a few versions by Emil Gilels, Martha Argerich and a great Leon Fleisher; I love them but I kind of never look deeper in this work. From what I feel they should be the  “conventional” players for the Liszt work. If you want to go for another extreme then look for Horowitz or Cziffra, although I do not remember of they recorded the Sonata during thier best years. Also, I know that the Piano Sonata was orchestrated. I never head it but it might be fun it you dig it out. BTW, Scherchen was a magnificent interpreter of Liszt’s orchestral music and if he did the orchestrated sonata then I would certainly search it.

As far as Bach-Busoni Chaconne - I’m big fan of Arturo Michelangeli and it was enough for me. Also, and to my great- great surprise, I did hear some absolutely amassing performances of Bach-Busoni by Horowitz in his late years. However, I do not remember that Chaconne was one of his peaces that I liked.

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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RonyWeissman
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Re: Liszt Piano Sonata & Chaconne by Busoni+Bach
A strong second-recommendation of the 1977 Horowitz recording of the Liszt(RCA 12548 here in France). It is a superb sounding LP as well.  For some reason I can't listen to anything Argerich lately, maybe it's because everytime I have tickets to hear her play she cancels?

By the way I attended Orchestra de Lyon performance recently,  they finished a decent but forgettable evening with Bartok Concerto for Orchestra.  The conducter, jan markl or something like that, managed to make it sound like De Falla, quite an achievement...I have three versions of this on LP, my favorite being Ancerl with Czech. Any others I should look for? The piece itself is not actually one of my favorites, but it has some exquisite material for cello and double-bass. ciao, rony
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Romy the Cat


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Horowitz Play Liszt

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Romy,

I know this 1977 performance of Horowitz. It is part of a famous compilation “Horowitz Play Liszt” (RCA 09026-61415-2). This performance is fine but I have a lot of problem with Horowitz in 70s. The beautiful thing about Horowitz was that he recorded practically everything multiple times. If you like the Horowitz’s Sonata then search if Horowitz recorded it in end of the 40s – beginning of 50s. It was way more accomplished period for him

The caT


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guy sergeant
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Re: Music in Estonia

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Thanks for the tips. Tallinn is a sensational place to hear alot of good music (if a little cold for cockroaches) The tickets to hear the Symphony orchestra are about 9 dollars. The Estonian music academy also has free recitals almost every evening as the various students give their Masters or Doctorate concerts. I also heard a 12 piece choir called Ars Nova directed by Paul Hillier who were stunning. These people also really enjoy their choral and organ music and I am discovering the joys of Cyrillus Kreek. As for the women  they are very nice to look at. Im not sure my wife would appreciate further investigation on my part!

best regards

Guy
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Romy the Cat


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Arvo Pärt and Estonians...

Interesting that Estonians, the very much as Latvians and Latvanians, although they are located geographically right among the Slaves have absolutely none-Slav music.  I mean listening thier music, even juts a few accords, instantly sends a message that this is a very different animal then whole Slav music. The Estonian sound for instance has as much common with for instance Russian sound as Scandinavian blues has common with Delta Mississippi blues. Evan thier organs have some idiosyncratic twist and sound very much different form any other organs….

The contemporary Estonians have an interesting composers - Arvo Pärt, who actually not Estonian anymore, but wherever his lives his music is very much Estonian. Some of his works are very good and he was pressed in 60s, 70s and 80s on those damn Melodia LPs, perhaps you might look for them while you there.

Interesting that Pärt’s choral music, as any other choral music, is extremely difficult to reproduce via audio means.

Rgs,
The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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guy sergeant
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Hi Romy

I started enjoying the music of Arvo Part about 2 years ago when I heard the haunting Spiegel Im Spiegel.
While Ive been here Ive also been to performances including the music of Eduard Tubin and Maart Saar.
It all has a very distinctive & possibly unique feel. Im not sure exactly where Gorecki comes from but his music often has that same quality.

Possibly the nature by which this region has been controlled by totalitarian regimes until recently has much to do with it.

Id like to return when they have their summer song festival. Hearing a choir of 30000 singing in the purpose built amphitheatre here must be quite something.

Why do you think normal choral music is so difficult to reproduce?

best regards


Guy

By the way. in Kadriorg palace today I was looking at the art exhibition and saw a scene Id imagine youd be familiar with (if its still there) a truly remarkable painting of the pier at Odessa being lashed by huge waves in a mighty storm. 
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Romy the Cat


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Re: chorus music.

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I know this feeling of having an overwhelming amount of singer. Actually even more impressive is to have them all singing in a confined acoustic space. I heard a few times how over 1000 people crowded in ~5000sq feet sung Mozart’s and Verdi's Requiems and it was absolutely unparallel feeling. I would not to dive into complication of chorus music reproduction. Perhaps it might be a subject in Audio section.

Rgs, The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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