06-08-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,156 Joined on 05-28-2004 Post #: 1 Post ID: 16423 Reply to: 16423 Deep-cryogenically treated cables? fiogf49gjkf0d Still being pissed that my second arm/cartridge does not sound as good as my first one I decides to get another phono DIN-RCA cable – I have my reasons to be suspicions now about my kinky Micro Fat cable. So, talking about different manufacturers some of them stressed that third cables are deep-cryogenically treated. I asked one guy if exes any shallow- cryogenically treated cable and I do not think he liked me after that. I do not question the alleged benefits of cryogenic treatment, but I do know the industry. The majority of the manufacturers are bottom-eaters who would kill themselves for a single penny and they will cheat, lie and steal if they can get away with it. The guys who buy for $150 at flea market 5 mile of wire, cut it, put it in fancy tubing and sell the cables for $1000 are the worse and I very much doubt that they do anything with cables that user can’t confirm. So, I wonder: is any ways to check if a wide was exposed to cryogenic treatment? I am sure that with electronic microscope, knowledge what to look for or with some kind of burning the wire in from of infrared spectroscoper it might be possible to tell if the  wire was exposed to cryogenic treatment. However, is any way to do it without any high technology or knowledge? The Cat "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

06-09-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree zako Posts 85 Joined on 05-25-2008 Post #: 2 Post ID: 16425 Reply to: 16423 Fake science fiogf49gjkf0d Some Hospitals and medicle firms cryo specmens...You can cryo any thing..But the benefits of treating wire is debatiible in its sonic attrabutes..To freeze to so called aligning atoms in wire is snake oil science,,,To stop atoms from moving (ABSOLUTE ZERO) takes alot of energy..None of the wire manufactures dont have that kind of equipment,,,Just putting in a common freezer will not do it,,  Beware of the crooks in the audio business like MCPINGO and TICE they are liers and evil money takers of seudo science.

06-09-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,156 Joined on 05-28-2004 Post #: 3 Post ID: 16426 Reply to: 16425 I would not argue the fakeness of the science. fiogf49gjkf0d The benefits of treating wire are not truly debatable – put in this way I would not debate it. My interests is not to debate the benefits but rather to be able to confirm that atoms were aliened by cryo treatment. You are right – none of the wire manufactures have cryo equipment but cryo treatment is not really unique or difficult procedure. There are many companies who perform cryo treatment and all that it takes is just to send the thing out. It is not expensive BTW. I have a company who proposed to me to cryo my entire 6-chanals Melquiades, along with all tube and power supplies…. Still, I am not sure that the small cables companies do it. If we deal with some kind of Nordost that make tone of commercial wires then for them to send a few hundred miles of wire to a cryo-vendor is truly negligible expense or efforts. The small cable maker who sell a few cable for month – I am not sure that they have volume to make a cryo treatment reasonable for them. If I send one single 1M cable to my local cryo vendor then they would charge me perhaps $7-$10, which will be most of the handling fee. The $7-$10 is the self-cost of 95% high-end cables out there. So, why a cable maker would go into such expanse if he knows that there is no ways to confirm that the cable was or was not cryogenically treated? "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

06-10-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree zako Posts 85 Joined on 05-25-2008 Post #: 4 Post ID: 16431 Reply to: 16426 HIDDEN REALITY fiogf49gjkf0d I guess we should call this " STRING THEORY"