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Romy the Cat


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Post ID: 16831
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No one knows anything….
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Haralanov,

I do not think that the “information” that you found is indicative of anything. If they changed coils and diaphragms on their LOMO drivers (and I presume that if they change the diaphragms then they did not keep the LOMO original suspension) then those LOMO driver have absolutely no connection to the sound of the original 2A-9 and they are in fact this own new custom drivers. They might sound as absolutely anything.
The comment that this “Yras” made do not say anything in my view about the LOMO drivers but rather about the sound that they were getting from Gotos: chilly and not interesting.

Here is a few factors need to be consider. First:  Russians high-end audio people, even those who fancy themselves the most advanced, listed unspeakably crappy music and their understanding of listening cultural is mostly very barbaric. Among the people who are active on-line I would name no more then 3-5 people over the whole contrary who have cultural capacity to express thier subjective listening analyses about audio that worth paying attention. So, whoever they say I uselessly do not invest much credibility. Second: We have absolutely no idea if the midbass horns with Goto drivers that were used before were used at their best. I do not have knowledge about the SG146LD drivers and I do not know how they might be cooked in order to make them to taste “chilly”. With the driver I do know based upon the reported I might guess what might be reason for it but if I do not know the driver then all bets are off.

In the end I, in contrary to you, do not feel that moving for this Russian guy from SG146LD to customized LOMO as direct radiator is an even worth attention. If would be worth attention is the owner would clearly express what was his dissatisfaction with older configuration, what he was about to do with it. What he did and what was the results. Unfortunately most of audio people do not equipped or not accustom to do it. They just make pictures that in my mind are an indication that they are more involved in external, the façade aspect of audio. 

We see, the experience that this guy went by trying the large compression drivers in the large midbass horns and then with shallow horn and quartet of 15” drivers was VERY valuable.  If we is willing to make the picture of this playback and expose his listening room to public then his pictures are irrelevant crap until one hear what is in the head of the playback owner and what motivations, objectives and methods he used.
So, he went from one topology to another, something does suggest me that in 6 month you will see another change of the playback in this guy’s listening room.

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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More images and looks like another changes.
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I have no idea what this guy is doing but here are more images of that Moscow setup

http://photo.qip.ru/users/yras/3916507/?page=1

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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N-set
Warsaw, Poland
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Oligarch Audio (tm)
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I'm wondering how much one had to steal in the 90's to afford such a system in Russia?
Fuck him and his system.


Cheers,
Jarek
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KLegind
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Post ID: 19115
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Green cones
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To me the big green drivers in the midbass horn look like old Siemens Klangfilm or Telefunken (or other German manufacturer) 10 inch units. Maybe 12 inch... I had a pair of 8 inch Klangfilm once and they do have interesting tone across a couple of octaves. Never got around to really work with them in a setup of my choice.
They do have a high Qts factor as many (or all) of them were used in open baffle speakers. I wonder if those 4*4 speakers are used without back chamber?

I have always been interested in a green cone system where they were carefully applied but I have not seen or heard one.

The rest of the setup I can't figure out - or predict sound from.

Kris
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Wojtek
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Stop wondering
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and "fucking" around.  I know it's a common thing on Polish forums but better keep our small xenophobic attitudes at home. I know it's hard to be a citizen
of small , ignored  banana republic   with unfulfilled, unrealistic geopolitical ambitions but it's better not to let them show so obviously. Don't
get me wrong, I also abhor those filthy rich Russians with their loud presence everywhere but even more irritating are stupid Poles with
their megalomaniac ,phony and pretentious pose. Happy listening

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N-set
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Fuck off
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How do you know i'm Polish in the first place?
If someone presents any pose on this forum (I have no idea about any Polish forums)
this is you. Don't get me wrong, but please fuck off. I don't remember reading
any interesting thought or experience from you here.


Cheers,
Jarek
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Romy the Cat


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Come on guys!
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Guys, can you keep your eyes on the ball and do not do it? It is truly irrelevant how much money the Moscow guy stolen in 90s or if he made his money by digging ditches by hands. I do not think that subject of the system owners money ever was discussed at this site and I see no reason to do it. It does not appeal to me what this guy does as I can’t see any well-formed objective in his progression. Not that he has no well-formed objectives but rather that I can’t follow them, which is not necessarily his fault. For sure the fanatical freedom that he looks like has let him to exercise expensive solutions but why hell it would make me or anybody else to be angry? I might be interested in what he does or not but my interest has very little to do with amount of money the guy spent of his installation. I am kind of a guy who more care about efforts spent then money spent. How much he has spent is only his business and I do not think neither I nor you shall care about it. So, N-set, I do not think that it is wise to throw away him in the way you did ONLY because he does well financially. If you have no other reasons to disregard that Moscow guy  other then his alleged economical freedom then I would prefer you to keep it to yourself and to your ether accountant or psychologist.

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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N-set
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Koniets
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Ok, I admitt I might have gone too far with my generalization: I do not know the guy, a chance
(faint in my experience with that region) is he has never stolen anything.
My general disregard of ejaculations of dirty money, be audio or whatever,
has nothing to do with the "economical freedome", which I neither envy nor desire,
rather with were it may come from.  


Cheers,
Jarek
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Romy the Cat


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Let keep the thing audio-related.
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 N-set wrote:
Ok, I admitt I might have gone too far with my generalization: I do not know the guy, a chance
(faint in my experience with that region) is he has never stolen anything.
My general disregard of ejaculations of dirty money, be audio or whatever,
has nothing to do with the "economical freedome", which I neither envy nor desire,
rather with were it may come from.  
N-set, you are not in IRS business or supervise somebody ethics. It is absolutely irrelevant what he stolen; if he did then it is good for him. This is audio site and the talk about dirty money is truly contra productive. If you want to talk about dirty money then run for congress of your county or become a talk radio host. Truly, let keep the things audio related.  Thanks.

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Wojtek
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Oh dear
fiogf49gjkf0d
. Don't get me wrong, but please fuck off. I don't remember reading
any interesting thought or experience from you here.


My apology that I assumed you're Polish . You're right . I realized, I  don't have anything interesting to say some years ago and regret
those infantile posts from the past and don't post much anymore in a case you didn't notice.  I do find some of your posts quite interesting although
have problem accepting some of yours childish attitudes. Keep well
Regards, W

"It does not appeal to me what this guy does as I can’t see any well-formed objective in his progression"

It's not about objectives Roman but about what you call "instant gratification"  It is not easy to get this feeling doing full horn multi-way system and integrating it properly even if ones objectives are rather basic. Going for FR drivers in big horn brings it  immediately without almost  any conceptual work. You get generic solution "on the plate" without need to even specify and address your objectives. Big impressive sound is there and IT IS pleasant.
 
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Hentai
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GOTO
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Hi there, been reading this thread and I wonder if the Russian guy liked GOTO for what it stands for then why use it with anything but straight horns and why use it with tube amps?
If he knew history and design philosophy behind GOTO his choices are very very strange.
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Romy the Cat


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You never know.
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 Hentai wrote:
If he knew history and design philosophy behind GOTO his choices are very very strange.
The history and design philosophy behind GOTO is not a secret.  The case of that Russian guy is not strange but rather his references are unknown. It perfectly possible to decipher from the pictures what he is doing but it is impossible to say what he is trying to accomplish as it is absolutely unknown who he is, what he is and what his objectives are. I wish the folks who do that internet pornography had a habit to drop and few paragraphs describing what they have in their mind, if anything. We kind of presume that is a guy has a lot of money than he just piles up equipment brainlessly and has nothing in his head. It is true in many instances but it is not necessary must be true. I did spent a lot of money on audio and there was time what I did it brainlessly and there was time what I did it thoughtful. So, with my respect of my efforts when I did do it thoughtful I do extend some benefits of the doubts to those people even if I do support the presumption of Moronity in audio.

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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haralanov


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...and another change
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hahhaha.jpg

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." -A.E.
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Romy the Cat


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A new reiteration of the Moscow setup.
fiogf49gjkf0d
Another few months and the guy from Moscow have another change:

http://www.soundup.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4296:2014-01-09-11-48-09&catid=91:2013-&Itemid=111 

The text shall be translatable, even though I was not able to activate the translator.

I am not impressed with the direction Alex is going; neither have I understood what he is doing. Well, I think I do understand what he is doing, but I degree with it. From the article it appears that Alex plays mostly small jazz, the proverbial “a girl with banjo”, so it looks like he is looking for that science of “audio-immediacy.“ There is nothing wrong with it and the overloaded Lowthers would do it just fine.

What is interesting in the article is the desire of the author to explain how the Alex’s bass sound. It is time-misaligned, semi-open baffle array with 15” electromagnets driven by SS. The authors, the owner of the site does have a tendency to brash mediocrity with glamour language. It might or not might the case this time. I personally predict that I would not be impressed with Alex’s bass. It is semi-open baffle that starched from 20Hz to 200Hz with one channel… Hm…, I do not believe in it. He uses different combination of bass drivers driven from the same amp, it is interesting but not effective in bass. I do not  say that it looks to me that the mouth of the bass horns would not support anything under 80-90Hz per channel and with open back I presume that his bass drivers go dipole at 40-50Hz.

So, I am not impressed so far. It looks to me that Alex obviously frustrated and keep doing something but it does not yet compiled into one unified sensible audio expression.

Rgs,
Romy the Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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