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Thorsten


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Post #: 41
Post ID: 1705
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Re: Thorsten's preamp idea

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Roman,

 Romy the Cat wrote:
May I ask you, this realization of yours… dose it has any “sound”.


The one we have build which is a little different (6S45 not C3g, also tried WE 417A, 437A, TX-101 Copper not silver, AN UK Line Output Transformer as anode load choke, CLCLC Supply, valve rectified, not regulated) has very little sound, but it does have some "tube sound" and hence the use of the silver TVC over Copper. It is not as transparent as the simple passive, it seems a little more compressed too and seems to blow up stereo images a little, but it is fairly little there.

The reason my friend uses this is that he needs the gain and load drive for his passive LCR line level crossovers and equalisers and uses very low gain Amplifiers on top of that (6SN7 drives 2A3 or 300B in single stage differential).

 Romy the Cat wrote:
You see, I have my “feeling” that it is hardly possible to make any tube-based completely transparent line-level buffer.


You may be right. The point is that it is not a "buffer", but a preamplifern with gain for applications where gain and exceptional load drive ability is needed and passive cannot go. In other words, it does not compete against "transparent buffers" but against other active preamps with gain.

 Romy the Cat wrote:
Anyhow did you look at the SS world for the “ultimate buffers”?

Best buffer in production I know is BUF634, out of production BUF03 immediatly followed by a complementary FET PP Buffer (same as Curl is fond of using). They are not completely transparent either and need a really good powersupply as well.

BTW, here the schematic for our preamp, signal section in principle, parts choices see previous msg, other suppliers for similar parts exist:

Preamp Schema.jpg

Ciao T


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morricab
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Post #: 42
Post ID: 1722
Reply to: 1705
Re: Thorsten's preamp idea

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Hi Thorsten,
Interesting preamp ideas.

The Silvaweld is also using some rather interesting ideas.  For example, the power supply is all tube (ie. rectrifier and regulator) with a large choke as well for filtering and using a 300b as the high voltage regulator.  I think this is due to the rather high current draw from the 4 WE 417a tubes that it uses (2 per channel as the design is fully balanced).  In addition it has two 6922 tubes (1 per channel).  I am not certain the circuit topology but the main gain stage is SRPP I believe. The 6922s are either another SRPP stage or they are a cathode follower but I am not sure which.   THere is no feedback and of course as we discussed it is transformer coupled in and out if using the unbalanced inputs.  I wish I could be more detailed for you but I don't have a schematic.  All wiring inside is solid silver in teflon.  The attenuators are in house designed 31 step jobbies also pure silver.

My understanding is that used properly the 417a is really a tube of choice for preamps.

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  »  New  The ultimate buffer – light in the end of a tunnel..  A few minor corrections...  Audio Discussions  Forum     36  401372  04-28-2005
  »  New  Another light for the LS tunnel: transformer-attenuator..  Thinking About the "Optimum" Pre-Amp...  Audio Discussions  Forum     26  231398  03-11-2007
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