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Bud
upper left crust united snakes
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Post #: 561
Post ID: 14350
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The fine chords
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The sine wave actually looks quite good no hint of saturation, clipping or wave deformity. Only a single trace, rather than a twisted rope. I suspect that when placed under a load much of the "broken" curve will smooth out. I would also suspect that yet another layer of fine grained noise will disappear from the PP2000 when it gets a taste of this sine wave.

Bud
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 562
Post ID: 14353
Reply to: 14350
The large paper and oil caps?
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 Bud wrote:
The sine wave actually looks quite good no hint of saturation, clipping or wave deformity. Only a single trace, rather than a twisted rope. I suspect that when placed under a load much of the "broken" curve will smooth out. I would also suspect that yet another layer of fine grained noise will disappear from the PP2000 when it gets a taste of this sine wave.

Bud, yes you are right, this is a no-load wave.  You might be also right in your prediction that after I load the generator then the curve might smooth out. I took a lot of work to start the beast and expected more gratifying result. The conversion with automation and excitement circuits to single phase, dealing with 20A currents and 60A start up currents – all of it a pain in ass. I did not put any load in the game as I would like to put a runtime capacitance between the A and C line as now my generator get 3 phase only during start up and as soon the motor get cruse speed a relay shuts down the C line. During the run the motor run from 2 phases and it is losing 1/3 of power, I need to put a run time cap to fake the 3rd phase and to get more efficiency power from it. So, to use the motor-generator option is not a plug and play situation. Now, where can I find chip 250V paper and oil non-polarized caps of a few hundreds mfd I do not know. In the past I was trashing them as they had no use for me but now I need to buy them.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 563
Post ID: 14355
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Pole Pulsing?
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Not saying the "pieces effect" "matters", but is it possible that this stems from using 1-phase power instead of the designed-for 3-phase?  After all, the 1-phase is not merely "less power", but it also changes the way the power is delivered.  Too bad the 3-phase is such a hassle; it would be interesting to compare the sine waves, anyway.

BTW, I still remember that the "digital pulses" the PP2000 delivers as sine waves might actually have a "beneficial" effect on end use sound...


Best regards,
Paul S
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Bill
Kensington, NH
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Post #: 564
Post ID: 14434
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PP2000
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I've now been using three of the PP2000 now for 6 months and in that time There have been no further hiccups since one of the fuses went out. They are giving me the best musical enjoyment I've had from my system in 30 years of trying to cure my electrical gremlins.  thank you Romy for introducing me to them.

Bill Gaw
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beachbum
New Orleans area
Posts 16
Joined on 02-19-2009

Post #: 565
Post ID: 14450
Reply to: 14434
PP2000
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Well i've been using this fine piece of equipment now for nearly 2 years with total satisfaction. My class D Nuforce SE V3 amps love the clean clear power. As i use my PP2000 for my whole system so does all other components in the audio chain. For the first time while listening to music today unknown to me i had a power failure and my PP2000 switched to battery mode and the music kept on flowing. I played 2 lps before the power came back on and i still had 64% left on the included battery. Man i love my PP2000



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09-19-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 566
Post ID: 14492
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Trash your PP2000 and get yourself the Encabulator.
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"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 567
Post ID: 14515
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What to do next NOW with electricity.
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I am finishing us to setup my listening room and I have my PP2000 blowing up sometimes (go to protection bypass mode) when I use powerful SS amp for ULF along with Melquiades and the rest of the systems driver from one single PP2000. So, I guess I would need another PP2000, or perhaps PP3000 or perhaps to go as crazy as Bill when and to get 3 PP2000.
 
I kind of thinking about it as next week I will bring my electrician to do some work including to run a dedicated 8-6ga feed to the location where my PP2000 regenerator(s) will stay and to rest the halves of my 220V (VERY important). If I have one PP2000 then it might sit in equipment bay of my listening room, if I have 3 of the ten I would damp then in basement, right under the power amps. Ideally I would need 4 PP2000 – one for each power amp, one for front end and one for ULF amp. Sure in this case the PP200 shall have a remote trigger or a remote control to start them only what I need to play my playback. I am still contemplating how I might organize the things. Hypothetically the PP200 has a button on front panel to which I might make a wired remote trigger. But it is 2010 they shall come with voice recognition – I do not know if I want to open PP2000 and do anything it. I want to ride it not to educate myself how to feed the horse…
 
What I certain is that one PP2000 is not enough. I do not withdraw my motor-generator options but to do it with running capacitors is a very much half-ass solution and I do not like it. The right amount of run caps is a subject of load and I do not see myself add and remove caps as I turn my components on and off. From a different perspective to vest myself into 3-4 PP2000 and then bring rotary 3-phase converter and to learn that motor-generator does better sound is something that I would like also to avoid. I guess I need to have my playback back, to test the motor-generator and then decide if I will proceed with more PP2000. But how can I test the ULF quality if my PP2000 will not power it. Perhaps I would need in future when my motor-generator is ready to borrow one more PP2000…
 
Why all of it shall be so difficult? For a time being I have no idea what to ask my electrician to do next week…. 

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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How many PP2000 does a man need?
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Debating the everlasting Leo Tolstoy’s question “How Much Land Does a Man Need?”  I wondering how many and what kind PP I would need. I am debating options:  to get two more PP200 or one more PP3000. I wonder if anyone used two separate PP200 for right and left channels amps and made comparing to both right and left amps running from the same PP2000. If anyone has this specific experience and able to filter out from own assessment the fact that PP2000 will be more loaded in one case then in other, then please, share with me your findings.

Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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The regrettable fun
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That is funny and I kind of forgot how it is. Got home and plugged the SMS digital crossover into the chain of my new midbass horn. I sat to lie different crossover sloped. The bass from the midbass horn was like somebody hit me in face with a wet sponge.   I was wondering if the SMS digital toy such a crap that it destroy sound so mach. Well, from the fact that I placed this post in the given thread you have figured it out – I did not plug the SMS crossover to PP2000 and drove it from a wall, along with TV that is attached to SMS…. Bad, bad, bad Woburn electricity… Bad, bad, bad kitty, do not do it again….

Meow!


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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maxzimum
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Post ID: 14646
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Advert?
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Does PP pay you to make these random posts in praise of their products?

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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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I’m a highly corruptible pussy.
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 maxzimum wrote:
Does PP pay you to make these random posts in praise of their products?
They used to pay last year. They wired me $19.95 for each mentioning their company on my site. But since 2010 we agreed that it will be no more cash transaction as they were afraid that some diligent site readers like you will audit my bank account and will discover my true motivations. So, this year we switch from cash transactions to poultry. Now, for each mentioning of PP in positive context the send me a deep-fry chicken and for each measurement they I do they send me a roasted duck.

BTW, I am a highly corruptible person and I am looking to be solicited by some kind of cable manufacturer. I need a company that will do cable up to the level of my demands and I will be enthusiastically report about my   success to use their cables in exchange for a few bake in garlic portabella mushrooms… I am highly corruptible,  as you know, but my “services” are highly cheap… In my religion says: anything swallowable is not a sin….

Rgs, the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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beachbum
New Orleans area
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Post #: 572
Post ID: 14654
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Well put kitty cat
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dont know if the posters comment was meant to sound negitave or positive about this thread and you. myself and countless others who use PP2000 because its performance and clean power is what our hifi systems love. PP2000 is delivering the power and those who believe there power supply is not up to snuff do your self a favor and get one. BTW i have no affiliation with PurePower in anyway and my system is purring with ample clean power meoooow.



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Bill
Kensington, NH
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Post #: 573
Post ID: 14655
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Reviewer bribes
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Glad to see there'sanother reviewer taking bribes. Why would we otherwise praise a piece of equipment to high heaven? I personally prefer free passes to porno sites, like Newegg.com,or music direct,where I can lust over all those hot to trot pieces of audiophilia.
Seriously, the PP units are the best addition Ive made to my system in years and have given it my product of the year award at enjoythemusic.com. I give silent thanks to Romy every time I listen to my gear for solving the electrical problem I've had for 30 years.
Anyone who doesn't at least try one of these units out in their system is wasting their time trying to improve it in any other way.
The old argument years ago about what's more important,the source or the speakers has been superseded by the need for pure electricity.

Bill
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 574
Post ID: 14656
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Again, about my hate of recommendations.
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I always hesitant to make recommendations regarding purchasing decision in audio. The last time I made a recommendation to a local audio guy was to get Altec 19 loudspeaker instead of the crap that he had.  The problem that you can make recommendation but Sound is not what equipment does but how you react upon the Sound. When I advised to look for Altec 19 I did said that it will be things that will need to be done with it. The guy clearly discarded my warning about the need to work with the Altec 19. He got the Altec 19, did not like them and I clearly saw it. So, felt that I need to buy the stupid Altec 19 from him for the price he paid (not dirt chip). As the result I was trying to be a nice guy and to “recommend” something but I ended with this piece of crap sitting in my room. Thankfully I have a big house where I can stupidly to accumulate this type of things… Do I really need them?  Absolutely not and the only reason I dog then from his hands because their finish is a good match to my new hardwood floors for my Opera Room….

It is not that I feel personal responsibility for recommendations. It rather that I know that recommendations in audio sometimes lead to far fetching consequences. People invent myths for themselves and then enslave them to those myths. The guys are saving and collecting money, hiding them from wifes and etc, sell old equipment to buy the recommended one. It is not only about money but about the expectations – people enslave themselves to own expectations that they purely artificially created in own head base upon somebody recommendations. I truly do not feel comfortable to be a part of this.

My discomfort is one thing but there is something else. I see no personal gratification to issues recommendations. How can I be gratified? If based upon my recommendation somebody would sell 1000 speakers or amplifiers then will it affect my ego in any way? Trust me, with all appeared problems with my ego I will be absolutely unaffected if some manufacturer would sell 10 units or 10000 units. The financial gratification is also is very questionable. Yes, I have opportunity to get from many manufactures discounted prices but there is absolutely no relation between the fact that they extend me discount and the fact that I comment positively or negatively on their products. I have a network of friendly to me distributor who buy sometimes some things for me, applying no dealer or distributor mark up. In some cases I buy used and in some cased I pay retail cost. The irony is that it is not truly important as I am not a reviewing house, I buy very seldom and in a large scale of the thing if I save let say 5 thousand dollars over a year on my audio then do you really feel that it would stimulate and motivate me? So far I do not remember me making money on audio…

So, the subject about PP and recommendations. I am not Bill.  I hardly can read some of his articles as they are very much products- centered and very much written in the “recommendation mode”. Still, would I recommend PP regenerator? I absolutely do not care. I am individualist and all the I care in audio is myself and my sonic results. The only gratification I have if 1000 people around me get PP is that it will be more PP users and the might discover new advanced ways to operate PP200 and I will be able to use their experience.  In practically it never happens and I am unfortunately feel that I am the most advanced PP2000 user that I know off. Bill for instance got 3 generators; I am planning to have the same 3 generators configuration. I did call him and asked his opinion about it. However, his and my playbacks are so drastically different and the way how we intend to use playback are so different that his experience of leaving with 3 generators was hardly applicable to me.

So, do I recommend PP2000? I kind of do not care. Someone might have no problems with electricity and someone has no brain to understand that he/she has problems. Well, all built out own playback for our own personal use and how the fact the PP2000 might or might fixed the problem in somebody house 3000 miles away would impact me? I absolutely do not care.  Will I recommend the PP2000? If you’re looking for my recommendation then it is too early for you to read my site.

The caT
 


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Wojtek
Pinckney (MI), United States
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Post #: 575
Post ID: 14657
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Than don't
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Look what you have done to jack up pricess of vitavox (nobody was buying before your wistle) , Micro Seiki (gathering dust after Art Dudley wrote they bored the hell out of him) meittner dacs (suddenly the most musical in the market Wink Lamms (which all of the club members seem to own or aspire to own) One used to see used ortofon Jubilee every other day -nowadays ,nope like they discovered a second face of that cart-instead shelter 901 is poping out not to mention a steady stream of prized yesterday Koetsus. I'm ready to believe they left their dogs in charitable shelters and picked up cats and gained 50Lbs eating kosher sandwiches.I'm sure PP2000 sells like a hot cake...
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scooter
Posts 161
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Post #: 576
Post ID: 14659
Reply to: 14656
Not much of a recommendation
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Maxizum,

Given the extent of payola used in today's society, your skepticism is well placed. However, if you follow the PP2000 threads from the beginning, what you see is a bit of a public relations nightmare for the manufacturer. So many defects, returned units, complaints, customer used for R&D and quality control roles - all for public consumption. This does not seem to be the typical reviewer situation where payola is used for publicity. Outside of a few desperate audio types who read all the posts, I suspect most people will not see a strong endorsement here. To put this into perspective, imagine this site were related to autos, not audio; would you purchase the PP auto after reading all the posts? Most would likely not.

It is worth noting PP did receive however a considerable amount of free advisory, and was willing to take some advice into consideration to presumably improve the product. It is great the PP worked on Beacon Hill; I'm sure we will see how it works in suburban Boston.
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 577
Post ID: 14660
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Herding Cats vs. herding sheep.
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 Wojtek wrote:
Look what you have done to jack up pricess of vitavox (nobody was buying before your wistle) , Micro Seiki (gathering dust after Art Dudley wrote they bored the hell out of him) meittner dacs (suddenly the most musical in the market Lamms (which all of the club members seem to own or aspire to own) One used to see used ortofon Jubilee every other day -nowadays ,nope like they discovered a second face of that cart-instead shelter 901 is poping out not to mention a steady stream of prized yesterday Koetsus. I'm ready to believe they left their dogs in charitable shelters and picked up cats and gained 50Lbs eating kosher sandwiches.I'm sure PP2000 sells like a hot cake...

Wojtek, there are idiots out there and they run across web sites, skim the pictures and run to buy the things, considering that if I or somebody else use something then it is an automatic “recommendation”. I have a long list of sites where people are bitching about me and call me horrible names (I get them from References of my web log) juts because they seen that that I used something and they presume that they much have it as well. In fact I had an idea to publish all of those “feedbacks” but to ridicule pure idiots is too boring. Just two week back an idiot with name Franz went to “My playback” section looked that I use Dominus cables and bought a large party of POD cable. They sound like shit and the pissed guy posted a large article describing how ignorant I am and that any of my recommendation much be discarded. You see the idiot did not even invested efforts to read my comments about POD cables but was motivated only just by images on my site and the believe that I use POD cables. Yes, from one perspective I might be proud that I have such a good reputation but this pride has a “minor” blemish: this reputation exist ONLY among idiots, which is unfortunately a majority in high-end audio

The truth is that any sane person in high-end audio do not give shit neither about me not about anybody else, very much how I do not give dams about others. We all practice audio explicitly for ourselves, period. All collaborations and all experience of others are important ONLY for informative purpose. I went to such a great extend with PP1050 and later with PP2000, I kept my entire history with PP public and I feel it had and has a great informative purpose. You will not find anywhere more information about PP. Does it help to sell the PP generators?  Do you think I care? I can say that the events of this thread did reportedly broke quite a few sales opportunities for PP. I identically do not care.

Wojtek, in your life, will anything change if PurePower, Lamm of Ortofon will ship next month and few extra boxes. If you do not think so then why do you feel it would affect anything in my life? Yes, the people do run across this and other web sites and search for “what next to buy”. This is one of the reasons why I feel that audio people are Morons - they are not trained by stupid reverse to use “information” but they only search their brainless dally dosages of audio imperatives. Sorry, if I work with animals then I would prefer to herd Cats, not the stupid sheep. You can’t milk them but you feel better around them….

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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zanon
Posts 54
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Post #: 578
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LOL! Strike 1 Druid. Strike 2 Altec.
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Romy:you must mean person with Zu Druid. What did he not like about Druid in the end (bass aside)? What did he not like about Altec? What off-the-shelf speaker is he going to try next, or will he throw it all in and stick with Bose table radio? Or Dunlavy??I am not saying there is no problem with Druid or Altec. I am sure there are many. I am wondering what was particular about his reasons for abandoning them both?
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 579
Post ID: 14672
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Way off from the Electricity Tread....
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 zanon wrote:
Romy:you must mean person with Zu Druid. What did he not like about Druid in the end (bass aside)? What did he not like about Altec? What off-the-shelf speaker is he going to try next, or will he throw it all in and stick with Bose table radio? Or Dunlavy??I am not saying there is no problem with Druid or Altec. I am sure there are many. I am wondering what was particular about his reasons for abandoning them both?

Zanon, if I were able to understand reasons behind actions of audio people then it would be much more interest to deal with audio people. I do not know what his reasons were, and I am not agreeing with his reasons. I do fell that Altec 19 with minor efforts would be more interesting solution but I am not the one who say to people what to do. I am the one who would say to people what is currently wrong but “how to deal with it“ - that is a very different subject and I prefer to be engaged in a collaboration on the subject only if I recognize inspiration and true interest.

Anyhow, the subject of monitors choice is way off from the Electricity Tread, so, let leave it aside….

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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120V +120V ? 240V
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
Debating the everlasting Leo Tolstoy’s question “How Much Land Does a Man Need?”  I wondering how many and what kind PP I would need. I am debating options:  to get two more PP200 or one more PP3000. I wonder if anyone used two separate PP200 for right and left channels amps and made comparing to both right and left amps running from the same PP2000. If anyone has this specific experience and able to filter out from own assessment the fact that PP2000 will be more loaded in one case then in other, then please, share with me your findings.
OK, I have moved my motor-generator to the backward in a cozy location under the deck, wrapped it in tarp and left it there in “preserved” mode. Sometime in future I will return to this idea. Meanwhile my electrician lays down today 3 dedicated 30A lines for 3 PP2000, each for each 6Ch- Melquiades and one for the rest. He also lays down my own ground - to 15 feet cupper poll that I drove to the ground in backyard. So, as soon the PurePower will ship my units I think I will be ready. The only concern I have is how multiple PP2000 would share the same ground. It is possible that it would make sense to run a full star ground from PP2000 to my poll, I do not know yet.

I would also need to test which side of my 220V will sound best, at my old home one 120V side sounded horrible and another was fine. I do not know if in the new home it will be the case but I need to test it.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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