At my site I many times span the subject that not the regress of engineering accomplishments is something that screws up sound nowadays and keep up in Dark Age of sound reproduction but rather a penetration of idiots in the sphere of professional audio. Sure they do not care mostly but even among those who cares many just too stupid to know the deference. After the years Americans begin to learn what happen if a government is idiot, However, as much as citizens are unwilling hostages of governments we, the  audio users, are hostages  and subordinates of the audio professionals who OWN sonic aspect of musical event, the  professionals who record and publish recordings.

Well, I might almost understand when the audio-professionals vandalize sound in order to make money. What I however never was able to understand why those idiots vandalize sound without any reasons: juts best the fucking can! This pisses me a lot. If a person has his stupid hands on a gain control then it does NOT mean that he need to ride it up and down juts ONLY because he is able to do so. It was so then would the fact that I own a gun (I do not) give me a rights to shot people?

The case to point.  Today BSO played M6. In the very end of the Final movement, right before the last touch of the double basses there is a long pose and a very strong final blow. That blow rises from silence and a good orchestra starting very much together produce almost DC-like sound. BSO did fine but it was broadcasted like a sparrows’ fart. Well, the compression has eaten it you say. Well not really. The blow’s maxima is at minus .9dB and some other fragments on the broadcast go up to .12dB.  Whatever calibration of this limiter is there was some room in there. So, what happen? What happen was that some kind of idiot who was sitting in the broadcast booth decided right before the blow to increase the gain for a few DBs that male the compressor to kick on sooner, it is juts my presumption. It is very well seen at the image below and it is very well heard at the file that I upload.

It is what I always say: any technology in hands of barbarian produces barbarian results…

http://www.mediafire.com/?v0mtnmyikz2   (MP3 file of a 3.3meg)

Romy the Cat wrote:

At my site I many times span the subject that not the regress of engineering accomplishments is something that screws up sound nowadays and keep up in Dark Age of sound reproduction but rather a penetration of idiots in the sphere of professional audio. Sure they do not care mostly but even among those who cares many just too stupid to know the deference. After the years Americans begin to learn what happen if a government is idiot, However, as much as citizens are unwilling hostages of governments we, the  audio users, are hostages  and subordinates of the audio professionals who OWN sonic aspect of musical event, the  professionals who record and publish recordings. Well, I might almost understand when the audio-professionals vandalize sound in order to make money. What I however never was able to understand why those idiots vandalize sound without any reasons: juts best the fucking can! This pisses me a lot. If a person has his stupid hands on a gain control then it does NOT mean that he need to ride it up and down juts ONLY because he is able to do so. It was so then would the fact that I own a gun (I do not) give me a rights to shot people? The case to point.  Today BSO played M6. In the very end of the Final movement, right before the last touch of the double basses there is a long pose and a very strong final blow. That blow rises from silence and a good orchestra starting very much together produce almost DC-like sound. BSO did fine but it was broadcasted like a sparrows’ fart. Well, the compression has eaten it you say. Well not really. The blow’s maxima is at minus .9dB and some other fragments on the broadcast go up to .12dB.  Whatever calibration of this limiter is there was some room in there. So, what happen? What happen was that some kind of idiot who was sitting in the broadcast booth decided right before the blow to increase the gain for a few DBs that male the compressor to kick on sooner, it is juts my presumption. It is very well seen at the image below and it is very well heard at the file that I upload. It is what I always say: any technology in hands of barbarian produces barbarian results… http://www.mediafire.com/?v0mtnmyikz2   (MP3 file of a 3.3meg) The Cat

Andy Simpson wrote:

Having made my last comment based on what I 'heard' via my laptop speakers, I took the clip to the workshop monitors last night to have a further listen - not to examine the weird processing, but to come to a refreshed idea of what kind of sound comes out of the average broadcast. My first impression was that you were more right than me. Actually, to me it sounded something like a mic-channel was turned on & off again (but could still have been a noise-gate opening & closing with an interpolated 'ramp'). My second impression was of incredulity that this could pass for professional recording, not only in the accidents but in the general quality. My third thought was to ask, do you find this listenable (generally speaking)?

Yes, it is what I was thinking: they had many microphones and before the blast they turn some of them on to highlight some sections or instrument but the microphones were too hot and when the blast went off it was killed by compressor, which was sitting on the whole signal. I would agree with your second and thought impression – it is bad but it is not indicative for “professional broadcasts”. Yes, it is hardly listenable.

BTW, in 2 days the very same concert will be broadcasted buy different station live-to-tape. It would be VERY interning to see what change to sound it will be. I do not know if it was the problem with recording or the problem with post-recording possessing. It was “live” but it was WCRB – he station that does a LOT with signal before sent it out. Not the last is that WCRB broad in the same band in HD – something that brings incredible amount of noise in FM band, even with very postdetection filters. It a few days it will be WGBH’s live-to-tape broadcast – it very different sonic culture and I am interested about the result.

Romy the Cat wrote:

Andy, Yes, it is what I was thinking: they had many microphones and before the blast they turn some of them on to highlight some sections or instrument but the microphones were too hot and when the blast went off it was killed by compressor, which was sitting on the whole signal. I would agree with your second and thought impression – it is bad but it is not indicative for “professional broadcasts”. Yes, it is hardly listenable. BTW, in 2 days the very same concert will be broadcasted buy different station live-to-tape. It would be VERY interning to see what change to sound it will be. I do not know if it was the problem with recording or the problem with post-recording possessing. It was “live” but it was WCRB – he station that does a LOT with signal before sent it out. Not the last is that WCRB broad in the same band in HD – something that brings incredible amount of noise in FM band, even with very postdetection filters. It a few days it will be WGBH’s live-to-tape broadcast – it very different sonic culture and I am interested about the result. The Cat

Romy the Cat wrote:

BTW, in 2 days the very same concert will be broadcasted buy different station live-to-tape. It would be VERY interning to see what change to sound it will be. I do not know if it was the problem with recording or the problem with post-recording possessing. It was “live” but it was WCRB – he station that does a LOT with signal before sent it out. Not the last is that WCRB broad in the same band in HD – something that brings incredible amount of noise in FM band, even with very postdetection filters. It a few days it will be WGBH’s live-to-tape broadcast – it very different sonic culture and I am interested about the result.

So, what, the WGBH did broadcasted the M6 live-to-tape with…horrible sound. Did they destroy the whole sound purely intentionally?  The finals final blow however was not screwed up – the graph even does not look as the same music as the compressor needed time to recover perhaps. The small MP3 file of the same fragment is attached. I have no idea what those idiots do that with sound, interestingly that it is absolutely unnecessary for them to do what they do. Why the fuck they do it I have no idea! If they were doctor then it might be a malpractice charge but here is a complete un-punishable barbarism going on…

Romy the Cat wrote:

So, what, the WGBH did broadcasted the M6 live-to-tape with…horrible sound. Did they destroy the whole sound purely intentionally?  The finals final blow however was not screwed up – the graph even does not look as the same music as the compressor needed time to recover perhaps. The small MP3 file of the same fragment is attached. I have no idea what those idiots do that with sound, interestingly that it is absolutely unnecessary for them to do what they do. Why the fuck they do it I have no idea! If they were doctor then it might be a malpractice charge but here is a complete un-punishable barbarism going on… The caT

Romy the Cat wrote:

If a person has his stupid hands on a gain control then it does NOT mean that he need to ride it up and down juts ONLY because he is able to do so.