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Romy the Cat


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The Abington Something = Abbingdon Music Research

 Romy the Cat wrote:
The same Thorsten made up a new company, I think the Abington Something and they make a new 16/44 CD player. I did not hear it and I look forward to it, I will have a local guy to have one soon, – it might be interesting.

I came across Thorsten another day and it come to me again that he has his new player.

http://www.amr-audio.co.uk/Templates/cd77.htm

I do not know anyone who own this player and never had it on my own. It looks like it was reviewed but it was only by the 6moons-type of “critics”, it is would be worthless. The pictures are wonderful though:

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/abbingdon/abbingdon_3.html

What I am interested is how good Abbingdon Music Research, does it has the Forsell’s gentleness and the same time the CEC TL0’ rhythms?  Will it read raw 24/94 files? Many-many other questions… I wonder since I have a lot of Brits-visitors perhaps someone heard the sucker….

Frankly I’m very suspicious about that Vacuum tube output stage, but I always suspicious about anything…

Rgs, Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Tommy
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Abbingdon Music Research
Just to let you know I will have an opportunity to hear one of them soon. My current player is Metronome T2i Signature which I consider the most balanced, complete and satisfying so far. It will be very interesting to compare it, rest assured I will post my findings.
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Romy the Cat


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To Abbingdon or not to Abbingdon?

Thanks, Tommy it might be very interesting. The player looks like it has 3-tube output stage and I wonder it is possible to run unit this all time on but to shut down juts the tube section?

Also, beside all typical curiosity regarding sound of that player I find it very interesting also use of USB interface. Would it mean that if I use the player then I would be able to play my DAW files though the Abbingdon processor? I truly do not know if USB interface is good enough to care high sampling rate signal. I think the newer (I think they are 5-6 years around) USB 2.0 is near 50-times faster, and I think the FireWire even faster. Now how it all extrapolate its in term of sound I really do not know… but I know that when I record and play 96/24 I would like to have all speed that I can get. It said that the unit can up-sample to 192KHz, can it actually read the 192KHz stream? Perhaps a raw 32-bit mastering stream? That would be very good? I would however require a lot of horns power to do it….

From the Abbingdon manual:

1. Digital Master I – this mode directly takes the data extracted from the CD and re-clocked to generate the music signal. Due to the complete lack of digital or analogue filtering, the treble frequencies are slightly rolled off, making the sound somewhat soft and laid-back. For the same reason, the mid-range and below is very natural and realistic. The reproduction of impulses is undistorted. This mode often helps to ‘tame’ overly-bright recordings.

2. Digital Master II – this mode is identical to Digital Master I but complements this with a special analogue filter which corrects the roll-off in the treble frequencies. With a subtle, but audible difference, this sampling method is not quite as faithful to the original data as DM I. However, in practice, as the tonality is more accurate in the treble, we recommend this mode as the benchmark with which to enjoy music.

3. Oversampling 2x – this mode engages the Digital Filter with an oversampling factor of 2, thus performing the least digital processing possible (except for no digital processing). The original data from the CD is in effect discarded and re-placed with a re-calculated version. This new version of the music is mainly linearly scaled up using a whole number as scaling factor and resolution/edge enhanced. The sonic result of oversampling mirrors those of resolution enhancement in digital photographs: more apparent detail is noticeable. However, impulsereproduction is distorted, leading often to a slight perception of an edginess or graininess.

4. Oversampling 4x – this mode engages the Digital Filter with an oversampling factor of 4, performing quite a large degree of digital manipulation. The original data from the CD is in effect discarded and re-placed with a re-calculated version. This new version of the music is mainly linearly scaled up using a whole number as scaling factor and resolution/edge enhanced. The sonic result of Oversampling 4x is similar to that of Oversampling 2x; except more accentuated.

5. Upsampling at 96kHz – this mode engages the Upsampler with a sampling frequency of 96kHz, performing quite a large degree of digital manipulation. The original data from the CD is in effect discarded and re-placed with a re-calculated version.  This new version of the music is non-linearly scaled up using a complex number as scaling factor and resolution/edge enhanced. The sonic result of upsampling is similar to oversampling; however there are subtle degrees of change in the tonality due to a shift in the harmonic spectrum as a result of the complex number which underlies the scaling.

6. Upsampling at 192kHz – this mode engages the Upsampler with a sampling frequency of 192kHz, performing a very large degree of digital manipulation. The original data from the CD is in effect discarded and replaced with a re-calculated version. This new version of the music is non-linearly scaled-up using a complex number as scaling factor and resolution/edge enhanced. The sonic result of 192kHz upsampling is similar to 96kHz upsampling. However, as the complex numbers that underlie the upsamplings are different to oversampling, the shift in the harmonic spectrum is not the same: hence tonality is somewhat different.

BTW, from what I see now I would like to have the unit to punsh more voltage then 2V….

Rgs, The cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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The well cooked Abbingdon?
I did not read it but it looks like a detail observation about the Thorsten's amp.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/amr2/am77.html


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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The Srajan’s splash… or his typical wet footprint…

Well, just I read the article I linked above – the sad writing – I have no idea why people write when they have absolutely nothing to say. What is written in there should be written by Abbingdon marketing personnel but not by a person who is trying to convince himself that he is an integrity-loaded audio critic (sound like an oxymoron, does it).  I would not mention even that spreading his entire BS in his article Srajan “forgot” to mention the biasing of the output stage… 

There is another interesting aspect to it. It would be nice if Srajan would stop his exposure of Abbingdon amp with that “nothing to say” article. As now it is very nicely looking amp.  I’m afraid that when Srajan will begin his typical “further convincing of the readers” then for a person with healthy perception it might create a reaction of revoltion…

Anyhow, there is one thing that made me uncomfortable in the Abbingdon article, and it has hardly to do with audio. Srajan wrote: “… AMR employs split teams in the UK and the Far East…” We all know what it means. If so, then why Abbingdon decided to write on their unit that it was “Designed and Engineered in Great Britain”? Do they feel uncomfortable and have needs to publicly fight with fact that Abbingdon an amp was made by global economy efforts? We, the people of 21 century are perfectly comfortable and perfectly aware that our electronics is made in Taiwan, Mexico, Hong-Kong and China. We all know that if their labor is properly supervise, organized and controlled then they do wonderful job, no better or worst then anyone else. So, what was the purpose to write on the peaces of audio where it was made? Who cares! Who cares particular if people know that the country -origin information will be a deception and misleading….

Rgs, Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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coops
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AMR cd-77
Romy Hi just a quick post, recently spent a week listening to the AMR, cd77 really wanted to like it, built solidly, but sound wise it is lacklustre, what are you using digital wise? Is there anything out there that has the 'heart' of vinyl? Regards Keith.
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Romy the Cat


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Lackluster - lacking brilliance or vitality; lacking luster or shine
 coops wrote:
… spent a week listening to the AMR, cd77 really wanted to like it, built solidly, but sound wise it is lackluster
I never hear word “Lackluster” and I looked it up in dictionary.  Can you tell more about it? You are probably the only person who heard it.  BTW, would you opinion about AMR player change if you were the Abbingdon’s dealer? :-)
 coops wrote:
what are you using digital wise? Is there anything out there that has the 'heart' of vinyl?
I am not looking any “heart of vinyl” – this is semantic and intellectual BS that the idiots-reviewers implanted into the mind of audio people. I use CEC TL0 MKII transport mostly with Right’s Bidat, though lately I prefer Pacific on 16Bit and DAW with external DACs

Rgs, Romy the Cat


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coops
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Amr
Rom's Hi I have been looking for something to play my CD's on, something that will make them sound more like vinyl ( whatever you want to call it, heart ,guts life ) the AMR is very well built ,looks good ,has some nice touches, sounds 'natural' but a little recessed , lacks presence, have a listen if you get he chance ,
Pacific is the dac and DAW is that a manufacturer? ( I could possibly have represented AMR btw ).. Keith.
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Lavry/Pacific/AMR
Romy when you use your transport and DAC how do you connect them. What kind of putputs does the Lavry have, my pre only has xlr ( balanced ) or single ended inputs ,could I use something like the lavry, also do you have a link to pacific microsonics thanks keith.
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Romy the Cat


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Let keep the eyes on the ball…
Keith, search the - site there are plenty information about interface I use between DACs and my digital sources. Still, what I do with my digital and how frustrated you with digital are is absolutely irrelevant in context of the given thread. This thread is dedicated to Abbingdon players. Since you are the only person who heard it I though you might spend more than a few phrases to describe Abbingdon’s sound/performance, though you are not obligated on course… Let keep the eyes on the ball…
 
Rgs, Romy the Cat


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coops
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Lavry vs AMR
Rom;s borrowed a Lavry 924 today, what a great piece of kit, it has restored my belief in digital it doesn't lack lustre! Keith ( I don't sell them in case you were wondering)!
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Romy the Cat


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How did you listen it?

 coops wrote:
Rom;s borrowed a Lavry 924 today, what a great piece of kit, it has restored my belief in digital it doesn't lack lustre! Keith ( I don't sell them in case you were wondering)!
Hmmmmm… OK, if you say so, thought I would be more overjoyed if you write my name correctly.

Lavry DA-924 is a processor of very different level all together – it s true multibit, not to mention properly implemented multibit. There are very few companies who have guts to attack the multibit idea at this level. Unfortunately Lavry DA-924 was virtually killed for hi-fi market by the retarded-whore John Atkinson…

You say that you appreciate Lavry 924 more then AMR player? How did you listen it? Did you run AMR from own internal converter and then AMR digital output feeding Lavry? I generally not pleased with AMR’s decision to have tube output stage but it another subject.   You still did not say a lot and beside that you feel that AMR has “no shine” but Lavry has more luster.  With this expressionism you will have difficulties to sell Abbingdon played….

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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coops
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Lavry / amr
Romy Hi, I apologise for the uncalled for familiarity, sadly the AMR had been whisked away before the arrival of the Lavry , it would have been interesting to experiment , I spoke to a chap today whose friend has the AMR and really likes it, he believes the player has to 'settle' for a month ( his words )  before it starts to shine, I only had the player for a couple of weeks . How did Atkinson disparage the lavry  ?
You mentioned once about the treble of the lavry, compared to the Pacific? 

 
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AMR DP-777
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I will report about sound of DP-777

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Amir
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AMR DP-777
I think DP-777 sounds best when i turn off it's Jitter correction and i use bit Perfect I mode in 16bit 44.1khz mode.
I think AMR DP-777 is very very good DAC but in my idea it is a-little bold sounding if i criticize tone.
It sounds clear , very clear , very smooth , linear, very extended but with minor bold sounding in midrange.
you may prefer it to many expensive DACs on the market but i think my EAR DAC 4 is a-little fuller than AMR DP-777 in a good setup.
setup1:
CEC TL0-X Transport -> AMR DP-777 -> EAR Pre -> 2x EAR 861 Power -> Living Voice IBX-RW
All Purist Neptune Cabling

setup2:
Macbook -> Berkeley USB to SPDIF -> AMR DP-777 -> EAR Headphone Amp


for 5000$ it is exceptional, like a dream DAC but it is not the best in my idea.
AMR DP-777 is perfect on Specification but the specs do not say any thing about sound.
maybe tube rolling changes the game but i guess it's boldness in in AMR amplifiers sound and tube rolling do not completely change AMR DP-777 sound.

Amir


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