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09-06-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 9,534
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Post #: 21
Post ID: 16957
Reply to: 16956
Some thoughts about listening room vs. video room.
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In response to my post above a friend of my wrote to me: “Soon you'll be spending more time there than the listening room :-)”. This is a very interesting concept and I would like to share my thoughts about it.

A listening room and a video room are different animals. I am not taking the requirement to equipment and setup but rather they deliver totally different experiences. The mechanisms of forming and delivering of metaphors from video rooms and audio rooms are very different and in a way they server different needs and different interests.  I do feel that listening room deliver stronger imagination injection in contrary to a video room that delivers stronger motor reaction. It is not that say that musical art is less capable then cinematographic art. Let face it in video room we do not deal with cinematographic art. For sure we can play in video room some great films and great performances but the greatness of those performances might be equally appreciated at 30” TV of at 130” screen with large sound.

I did find 2 DVD that in my mind give worthy experience of large video room. I do like the contribution to these video performances that fully setup video room gives. Still, I do recognize that the added values of the better image and larger sound sever in way self-gratifying purpose. It never happens with listening room. In the better listening room with better playback the better Sound elevates awareness of performance. In video room the better sound/video do extend the responsiveness to the event but to a much lesser degree.

Rgs, Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 22
Post ID: 16960
Reply to: 16957
Exactly
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Well said.  I think the idea with the audio/video matrix is to just get it "over the hump".  Too much ambient light, not enough or too much booze, etc., etc. and the whole thing implodes.  It is stupid, of course, but still we persist in comparing "live" and "reproduced" sound.  But NO ONE EVER confuses video with life. by which I mean that "the gap" is not only apparent to everyone but it is so apparent that it is never even discussed as such.  Not saying it is "verisimilitude" that makes our juices flow, but clearly evolved hi-fi and HT are different animals.

Best regards,
Paul S


"...their delight in music [is] the sure symptom of manly tenderness and native elegance of soul."
                                                                                                        -- Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, 1855
09-07-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 23
Post ID: 16963
Reply to: 16960
This it truely huge and great subject.
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 Paul S wrote:
It is stupid, of course, but still we persist in comparing "live" and "reproduced" sound.  But NO ONE EVER confuses video with life…

I disagree with this statement. I would argue that it “in a way” reversed. I said “in a way” as it is very loaded subject and I can write 100.000.000 words book about it and still would say nothing about the complexity of the subject.

The whole idea of cinematographic or theatrical presentation is not to persuade the viewer that depicted is live. When you watch a good cartoon do you feel a temptation to compare it to life? The reason I brought cartoons is because it is in a way a highest form of cinematographic/theatrical presentation, the pure metaphor engine with no boundary to reality. Let take a classic example, where do you see any reference to reality in here?


Well, the reference to reality to reality is there but it is not in the presentation of sound of image but in your own live experiences, would it be real or imaginary.

So, the approximation to “live” in cinematography is not done by quality of image or sound but by other means. This is a big lie that HT owners and HT traders perpetrate – hey feel that better screen, more resolution projector or more channels of surround speakers would give more connection between video show and live experiences. I feel the reality is that better performance of video equipment is great but it serves juts better performing video room, nothing else. Yes, there are very few video shows that might be benefited from “video room greatness” but the benefits are not in consummation of artistic messages but in pure recreation and amusement. BTW, I have nothing against amusement but I would like do not confuse it with mechanism of artistes enrichment, something that I find pure audio is.

By using audio creatively it is possible to mitigate artistic message. I can invite two hypothetically -identical people in my house, play to them the identical set of material but with different audio presentation and those hypothetically -identical people will have very different reaction to the performed music. I do speak the language of audio and I do know how to felicitate it. This is the whole point of interpretive force of audio and audio can convert a listening event of the very same performance from life-changing experience to a regular waste of time. In contrary I do not think that better Video event can do it. Of because the Video events can be superbly powerful but the power of the delivery in video room would not wary SO MUCH from lumens of your projector, reflection of your screen of finesse of video sound.

Rgs, Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
09-07-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 24
Post ID: 16965
Reply to: 16963
Immersion vs. Expectations
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If the HT opera idea involves "immersion", then what is it that facilitates this immersion?  I think image quality can be exploited with HT, just like any other quality.  As for "Fantasia", it is a great example of a film that simply exceeded everyone's expectations, in pretty much every way.  Not so long ago I had a similar (for this discussion, at this point) experience with the I-Max ,3-D "Avatar".  Certainly this film does not play out the same way on my big screen TV.  Nor does the same DVD "La Boheme" performance play out the same way on my TV screen vs. my brother's theater.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder if vid-opera would "work" in a less "intimate" setting, at all, regardless of screen size. etc; I'm thinking of watching in a pubic theater.  And maybe to get the most from vid-opera visuals, the staging should be done with video in mind from the beginning.  No doubt editing is huge here.  But I think the screen versions of "Westside Story" and "Camelot", etc. were better on screen because they were staged for film from the beginning, and they were able to draw from what is now a fairly long tradition of film making, which has included "film-centric" sound for  some time now.

Best regards,
Paul S
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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Post #: 25
Post ID: 16967
Reply to: 16960
My (unique) P.O.V.
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Interesting discussion, guys. My own view on HT opera is simple: While the productions can often be extraordinary (the Barcelona Ring for instance) the singing can truly suck. For Wagner one must go back to the brilliant Keilberth and Krauss Bayreuth recordings of the early fifties. Or, before.

Still I can with considerable pleasure -- and even awe -- watch some of the videos. I believe there's a sort of synesthesia that sets in, whereby our enjoyment of visual participation convinces our ears that more music is happening than is actually the case.

Now a word about movies: In my Great Room with an 8 foot screen and JVC projector, they come to life as well as in the theatre. Last night we watched The Wind That Shakes the Barley and it made a terrific impact, aesthetically and sonically. (Fine, fine movie too.) But see, movies are conceived for the screen, which opera is not.

By the way, my Great Room's walls are lined with 78s -- which to my mind may well lend a sort of high-spirit contribution to the proceedings.

clark
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 26
Post ID: 16973
Reply to: 16967
Surround Sound
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Clark, I have wondered if you ever "hear" the old records you are surrounded with, because the atmosphere is so "historically charged" that it simply imbues the space?  Even in rote terms, those 78s have to make for good "surround".

Hard to imagine from the ticket prices that Bayreuth would ever see hard times...

Best regards,
Paul S
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 27
Post ID: 16976
Reply to: 16963
About Sound in Video Room
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I would like to pass some observations on my about sound quality in my video room.  The sound in my video room is what I would call very very good, I am not kidding – really good.  It is delivered by Altec 21S speaker driven by Yamaha B2 amp and Yamaha C2 preamp. All cables are the RadioShack crap (they are very bad, do not listen the fools who try to convince in opposite) and the speaker cables are 14ga wire from the same RadioShack.  Am I kidding or boolshitting you? No kidding and no boolshitting going on here.

I do not want to lie to you and would like to note that if I use my borrowed DVD player and play audio CD with more or less serious symphonic repertoire then my audio system in my Video Room instantly demonstrates own ugliness. It is not that some specific aspects are wrong but rather the whole sound is so much in unsophisticated scale that it below me even to criticize it.  Still, with video material all those problems do not manifest itself and sound is very much not annoying, in fact it is very much enjoyable.

What I am observing is very much confirms what I was saying back in 90s when I had quite sophisticated 5.2 channels audio system for video. At that time I was pitching that audio installation for video room must not be more sophisticated than $500. Yes, I did it while I had over $75K audio system for video. It does not call paradox, it called idiocy.  Then I sold all my audio setup for HT and did not touch HT for 14 years. Now I have my Altec 21S that looks like wonderful furniture but that with all honesty in the scale of my audio reference do not deliver better sound then $500 audio system. It is all that I, you, we need for video rooms and trust me they do absolutely wonderful in video rooms.

Video material is intrinsically are horribly recorded and even at my $500  audio playback I feel that it able to deliver much better sound then the souse can offer.  I do not blame my DVD player, in fact I think that this borrowed Oppo is MUCH better then I expected and I am planning to try to experiment it in my main audio system as transport and as player. It is not the DVD player’s fault but the extreme primitivism of the played material, would it be DVD or BlueRay.

I do not see any need to more than 2 channels. I know some folks feel that it need to be 5, or more channels but it is not what I feel. I have enough speakers in my house and enough amps to add more channels but I have absolutely no interest or temptations to do it.

I also admit that I am not video room expert. I do have experience and some sophistication with audio installation but I do not have acquired taste with multimedia rooms. What I get is fine to me but I do not mind to learn something. So, what I am willing to do is to invite some local folks that I know who are practicing video room for years and to ask them to point out for me the specific problems with my video sound that they might with their developed experience to recognize. It might be educational and I will post what they criticized.

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Bill
Kensington, NH
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Post #: 28
Post ID: 16980
Reply to: 16976
Video room
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Sorry for this long rant but I feel a rebuttal is necessary.

1. Back in the 90's you had 480 I video and 16/44 or dolby 2.1 analog audio. Then the sound was crap as was the video so you could get away with a crappy setup. Now we have 1080P video and 24/96 5.1 audio to reproduce. Thus, one can  obtain significantly better sound and picture if one has the proper system.

2. I don't know about others, but when I go to a concert I do not wear blinders or have Sonex behind my ears to block out the visual and hall reflections which make up anywhere from 20 to possibly 80% of the sound you are perceiving in a great concert venue. I try to sit as centered as possible in the front third of the hall where the sonics are the best and I can view the way the artists are performing, not just hear them.

3. Thus I try to reproduce that concert hall experience as closely as possible. Using a small television set with large 2 channel speakers would be the equivalent of seeing the orchestra from the back of the second balcony with the sound equivalent of being in an open area with the natural hall reverberance mixed into the front soundstage. 

4. With the 5.1 channel 24/96 1080P well engineered concert discs now on BluRay coming out of Europe, at least one gets a sense aurally of whast it is like to be in the concert hall. While I* agree that most of the visuals annoyingly flit from player to player rather than keeping the visual feel that one is sitting in one seat, at least the audio on the best gives me the sound that the conductor is hearing, possiblyb the best seat in the house.

5. We all hear and perceive sound differently depending on our audio upbringing and genetics. I have a friend who finds stereo annoying as he has difficulty integrating a solid image from stereo. Thus he prefers listening to his stereo system from another room. I can just remember the arguments back in the 50's over mono vs. stereo and how stereo would forever muck up the sound. 
   Most of us came up in the mono to stereo era and became accustomed to the inherent imaging distortion of having the hall sound mixed in with the two front channels. I prefer to have it placed where it belongs; around me through the use of surround channels. Others will prefer to keep it in front changing the sound emanating directly from ther musicians.

6. When I  go to see a movie at a theater, I want the best image and sound possible without overloading my senses. Thus I sit as close to the center of the hall as possible with the screen filling my visual field. Unhappily, 90% of the time  either some yahoo is talking on his cellphone or the projector bulb is at its life expectancy and the image is darker than night. With my home theater 10 foot diagonal 16x9 screen with an analog 3 tube projector with 7 horn loudspeakers sitting 10 feet away, I can be immersed in either the movie or concert experience as well or popssibly better than being at the original venue. You can't do that with a 30 inch television and 2 speakers.

7. I have been to Romy's and find his audio system to produce the best two channel sound I've ever heard. I just wish he would now go forward and use his expertise to produce a video-surround audio experience to equal it rather than settling for a 1990's setup. 

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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 29
Post ID: 16984
Reply to: 16956
A "new" video room with Altec 21s
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Perhaps that sick idiot who was popping up at my site last year and who insisted that I am gay was right. Perhaps I am a gay as I lately discover my unhealthy interest for cheap room decoration…. Oh, well I wish I was… 

 The reality is that the appearance of the Altec 21S pretty mach made me to redecorate the room to make Altec to feel in there like home. If someone would tell you that Altec 19 make bad furniture then throe stone in the face of the lair…
 
Anyhow, today I spent most of the day to work with my electrician, rewiring the room and to set it up electrically in the way I want. It is all done. The only thing is left in the room is to hand my final 120” screen (the screen wires are going to be hidden in power entry behind the screen) and to accept the donation of big ass brown couch from my local audio body.

Funny but I spent so many efforts for such ridicules things! For instance I would like to have a really large and high air flow ceiling fan right above the couch. The house has center air but I like the fans, the smokers will get it. The ceiling fans are no rated by dB noise. So, I got a few and tested them, until I found the one that has the lowest noise.

Anyhow, it is all gone now and the room “feels” pretty nice to me and it is surprisingly good sounding, perhaps as the room has no first reflection on the left and right the loudspeakers.  Funny, what I was buying this house I very much discarded the room as worthless…

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The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
09-11-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 30
Post ID: 16994
Reply to: 16980
I am not so comfortable with multichannel.
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 Bill wrote:
Sorry for this long rant but I feel a rebuttal is necessary.

1. Back in the 90's you had 480 I video and 16/44 or dolby 2.1 analog audio. Then the sound was crap as was the video so you could get away with a crappy setup. Now we have 1080P video and 24/96 5.1 audio to reproduce. Thus, one can  obtain significantly better sound and picture if one has the proper system.

2. I don't know about others, but when I go to a concert I do not wear blinders or have Sonex behind my ears to block out the visual and hall reflections which make up anywhere from 20 to possibly 80% of the sound you are perceiving in a great concert venue. I try to sit as centered as possible in the front third of the hall where the sonics are the best and I can view the way the artists are performing, not just hear them.

3. Thus I try to reproduce that concert hall experience as closely as possible. Using a small television set with large 2 channel speakers would be the equivalent of seeing the orchestra from the back of the second balcony with the sound equivalent of being in an open area with the natural hall reverberance mixed into the front soundstage. 

4. With the 5.1 channel 24/96 1080P well engineered concert discs now on BluRay coming out of Europe, at least one gets a sense aurally of whast it is like to be in the concert hall. While I* agree that most of the visuals annoyingly flit from player to player rather than keeping the visual feel that one is sitting in one seat, at least the audio on the best gives me the sound that the conductor is hearing, possiblyb the best seat in the house.

5. We all hear and perceive sound differently depending on our audio upbringing and genetics. I have a friend who finds stereo annoying as he has difficulty integrating a solid image from stereo. Thus he prefers listening to his stereo system from another room. I can just remember the arguments back in the 50's over mono vs. stereo and how stereo would forever muck up the sound. 
   Most of us came up in the mono to stereo era and became accustomed to the inherent imaging distortion of having the hall sound mixed in with the two front channels. I prefer to have it placed where it belongs; around me through the use of surround channels. Others will prefer to keep it in front changing the sound emanating directly from ther musicians.

6. When I  go to see a movie at a theater, I want the best image and sound possible without overloading my senses. Thus I sit as close to the center of the hall as possible with the screen filling my visual field. Unhappily, 90% of the time  either some yahoo is talking on his cellphone or the projector bulb is at its life expectancy and the image is darker than night. With my home theater 10 foot diagonal 16x9 screen with an analog 3 tube projector with 7 horn loudspeakers sitting 10 feet away, I can be immersed in either the movie or concert experience as well or popssibly better than being at the original venue. You can't do that with a 30 inch television and 2 speakers.

7. I have been to Romy's and find his audio system to produce the best two channel sound I've ever heard. I just wish he would now go forward and use his expertise to produce a video-surround audio experience to equal it rather than settling for a 1990's setup. 

I do admit that the 5 channels in the way how they were made in 90s, when I did multichannel for video was very bad, there is no argument in here. In fact the multichannel were artificially encoded and extracted from 2 channels. Do you think it is being done different now? Do you think that recording 5 channels on BlueRay nowadays they record with 5 microphones on 5 independent channels? I do not think so. I very much think that they extract 5 channels from the same 2 channels. Why would they go for expense and complexity to do multichannel recording if 1) no one would distinct it from artificially made multichannel and then up-converted to 24/96? Nowaday they release the WWII recording in SACD and claim that they “sound better”. What else might be said?

I am not against to try multichannel but I do not feel a NEED for multichannel Sound and for the whole notion of surround channels. Sure it might be implemented and it might add some special illusions but I honestly do not feel that this illusion is truly essential or even beneficial. Perhaps I did not hear the properly made multichannel. In your room when you played multichannel sound was good but I did not find it good because of it multichannel, in fact I did not exactly understood when it was multichannel. Perhaps I need to visit you and you need to play to me the very same fragment in multichannel and in 2ch PCM. I think this would be an interesting experiment.

Again, we do not know what they do with 3 left over channels if they did record in multichannel. It is highly possible that they mix 2ch with the left over from another channels in order intentionally compromise 2ch and sell more multichannel. They do the same with CD layer of SACD format, so I have very little of any expectation to the industry crooks. I know that they would fuck up whatever they are able to fuck up….

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Bill
Kensington, NH
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Post #: 31
Post ID: 16996
Reply to: 16994
Multichannel recordinmgs
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Do you think that recording 5 channels on BlueRay nowadays they record with 5 microphones on 5 independent channels?
I admit that some of the so-called multichannel blurays have been made using possibly two channel masters and adding reverb for hall effect, but the same tricks aRE done with two channel recordings. The best are being mastered in original 24/96 5.0 or 5.1 channels picking up the hall ambiance and placing it where it belongs. You should listen to what Kimber is doing with his special microphone setup which isolates the hall  sound from the staGE.


I am not against to try multichannel but I do not feel a NEED for multichannel Sound and for the whole notion of surround channels.Sure it might be implemented and it might add some special illusions but I honestly do not feel that this illusion is truly essential or even beneficial.
Stereo is also an illusion of a forward facing three dimensional space produced by two speakers. Also, I agree that just like in the 50's when stereo overcame mono, it takes an aural adjustment for one to become accustomed to surround information. Jut like some people don't need stereo over mono, some will prefer true stereo over true multi-channel.


 so I have very little of any expectation to the industry crooks. I know that they would fuck up whatever they are able to fuck up….

You are using the old argument that because some engineers do things to recordings means that the the process itself is defective. Multi-channel is the direct improved descendant of stereo as stereo is of mono, and if done properly and to high end standards, just like with stereo, will only allow a purer and more natural reproduction of the concert venue.  
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 32
Post ID: 16997
Reply to: 16996
2-Channel "Stereo"
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Let's face it, guys, most recordings are mixed down from multiple microphones and tracks, whether 5-channel or so-called 2-channel stereo.  It is the exception rather than the rule if there is a direct correspondence between microphones, placement, etc. and "intended" playback channels.  And even in these cases there is no guarantee that the results will be any good.  Who knows how anything was or is archived, mastered, re-mastered or dubbed?  More and more analog archives have been digitized, that's for certain.

I haven't really looked all that carefully, but I have been under the impression that, for better or for worse, most of the opera DVDs have been made with 5.1 HT in mind.  Is this correct?  Does this make it easier or otherwise "better" to use 5.1 playback?  Either way, ""the source", per se, is probably a rather remote consideration, so it is really a matter of suffering the fewest contortions to achieve the objectives, such as they are.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 33
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My Pussy has approved my Opera Room
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As I told you that side effect of my Video Room project turned out that I changed my mindset from hating that room and considering it as a worthless in the house to the sadden admiration of the room.  No I do not watch videos in there but I just turn out enjoy to spend time in the room with the no projector and no video.  The biggest surprised I got today: my Koshka demonstrated to me that she for the first time she lives in this house liked the room as well. 

Koshka is 20 years old and she has a lot of attitude regarding what she like and what she does not. I learned from her a lot, God bless her. There are places in the house she loves and the places she hates or ignore. For the year and a half we live with her in this house she never even walk in the Opera Room unless the fireplace was on. Today I was looking her around the home and was able to find her. I went to the video room and here she was, sleeping, lying on the floor with her legs up and with her head turned way back. This is VERY vulnerable pose for Cats and if Cats allow themselves to do it then it is an indication of complete comfort and absolute trust to environment. Koshka has adopted my new Video Room. It might sounds idiotic to you but it is the greatest and the most pleasurable compliment to me.

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Rgs, Romy the Cat
 


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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The opera room machine.
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I understand that with my desire to have 2-chanals instead of 34.6 channels for my video room I am bit off the bitten path but it is what it is. I am comfortable with what it is and as time goes by I more and more form my objective and my interest in my video room.

I am OK with what it is with exception of two moments: I have no remote control for sound and I the system a bit too big. I have way too exercise power amplifier B2 for my speakers, I have a CD/DVD/BlueRay player (older model Oppo) that I ether ether to return or buy, I have preamp with no remote control option, I have tuner with no modulations meter… all of this mean a few components with necessary complexity…
What I would like is to have one single machine that would:

1) Play any disk, including the files from wifi or network
2) Have OK 2ch DAC onboard
3) Have 2-3 RCA inputs in preamp mode
4) Have some kind of tuner with DX option onboard
5) Have analog volume control and remote lit control
6) Have analog tone (HF and LF) controls
7) Have modulation meters on front panel
8) Have ability to save a few stations in memory
9) Have 10W-40W amplifiers onboard
10) Have high compliance transport onboard with FAST reaction time
11) Cost under $1000
12) Have more or less acceptable sound.

I am absolutely not familiar with what is out there. If any of you have seen such a machine then let me know.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Post #: 35
Post ID: 17193
Reply to: 17189
Let me know what you find...
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...but I don't hold out much hope. Especially with the mod meters! You might get most everything in a pair of packages tho'. But you should also look for preamp-out RCAs.

By the way, last time I was there you had a JVC projector too...

clark

PS Totally agree about two channels, quite good enough for any decent TV and movie.
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Bill
Kensington, NH
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Wonder machine
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Let's see if I can magically produce a cd-dvd-preamp-remote volume conntrol-equalizer-wifi-d/a-save stations-and cost under $1000. And it will even tune in TV stations, record them, FM and internet files and even do a/d encoding up to 24/192.
 Can't believe you haven't thought of this. How about a PC with a sound card, such as Jul@, which can be single ended or balanced, a tv-fm tuner card  for broadcasts and let those Melquides amps sitting next to your speakers do the amplidication. You even already have the playback and record software and may even have a spare computer sitting around.
You've been over here and listened and watched mine.

Bill
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Romy the Cat


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A business opportunity for someone….
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Oh, no, I’m absolutely not going to go to this route.  I absolutely certainly do not want to have any vacuum tubes in there, not kneeboard and mouse, no recording options, not switching or commutating, it need to have one single button to tune of and off,  It has to be SS and I prefer do not turn it even off at all. It need to perform at the level of table radio (that is not necessary bad). I can live with no modulation meters as if I has line out then I can run my external meters… The sad thing is that it looks like there is no CD/DVD/BluRay players with built-in power amps. So, we are taking about the idea to combine a regular mid-fi audio receiver (like Outlaw does) with a universal player. I have no idea why no one (as it looks like) does it.

Rgs, Romy the Cat


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Romy the Cat


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Surviving Nor'easter…
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We in Boston are hit this weekend with a mean Nor'easter storm with wind, rain and show. They promises a feet or so and it is juts October…. I am having great time, secluding myself in my video room, lighting up fireplace, smoking my Cohiba, playing a lot of string quartets and looking how the world is draining to oblivion. If it goes like this then I would probably want a bit better sound in this room. I see the point somebody advise me to use bug vacuum tube in my fireplace room, it does go along well with the room mood…

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Rgs,
Romy the CaT


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Good electricity days
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I thought you would be freezing with the big system enjoying great sound,  and maybe solving the mistery of good electricity and freezing weather!

Have a great time!
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Romy the Cat


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Magic!
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My Cat truly lives on her own. She never comes to me when I call her. She always does whatever she wants. She always wants something different from what I want. I am with her since she was 6 days old She teaches me to live soon to be 21 years and I am truly  praise that this beautiful creature blessed me by letting share her live with me.

Sometime she hides in house and I spend 10-15 minutes to search for her. I call it “Koshka’s witness protection mode”, we both enjoy it tremendously. If she is not in my view she show up only when she wants, in a way how she wants and although we live together for a long time and have million conventional behaviors but she never makes the same appearance twice. She always unique and always has in her appearance the beautiful, possessed only by her twist. I love it is death and she know it.

There is however one amassing thing that we developed juts recently that I praise more than Christians praise their cross.

There is that moment when I do not know where she is and I do not particularly need her at the moment. It is cold outside. It is late evening. I go to my Opera Room and I light up my fireplace. I take my large buckwheat chair and place it right in front of fireplace. I lay in my super comfortable buckwheat chair and I stretch my bare feet toward to the fire. I take a remote control and push “Play” with any dark  and slow music. The room is dark, even black. I see only a fire in front of me and the rest of the world stops to exist. With my right rand I reach a box of Cohabas, lighter and light up my cigar. I close my eyes. I take with my right hand cigar out of mouth stretch arms wide open, floating in my no-gravity chair. As soon my left arm reach it’s maximum extension my left palm feels one single, very soft touch of the very end of my Koshka’s tail. She always there, not juts she is there but she is there with millimeter precision, holding her tail up,  just to tell me that she is there to care me and to support me through my life.

Only Cats…

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Me.


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