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02-21-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
glaesemann
New York
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Joined on 12-18-2007

Post #: 1
Post ID: 6723
Reply to: 6723
Antenna solutions for FM
Roman, do you pick-up strong FM from the TU-X1's antenna or have you installed an outdoor dipole antenna via coax?



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02-21-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 2
Post ID: 6727
Reply to: 6723
It is directional and rotatable




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07-14-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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The APS-13 Antennas available again.
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"…the most technologically advanced FM antennas on the market today. info@antennaperformance now accepting pre-orders for the APS-13 for another production run. Once 25 have been ordered, we will ship 6-8 weeks later after production has been completed"

http://www.antennaperformance.com/products2.asp?ProductID=38&CategoryID=1

http://www.antennaperformance.com

The Cat


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07-14-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
montepilot


Boston, MA.
Posts 42
Joined on 12-13-2007

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Post ID: 11060
Reply to: 11059
FM Antenna
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Romy,

How do you have the antenna anchored to the building?


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12-09-2009 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 5
Post ID: 12450
Reply to: 6723
Great FM antennas page.
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In context the new 99.5FM lower power and further distance and since I am deep in fringe I was wondering if I can do something with antenna. I run Winegard HD6055 that is optimized for 98Meg. Looking for narrower directivity I come across to two great links about antennas:

http://ham-radio.com/k6sti/

This site has directivity patterns.  I really like the Peter Körner’s anntas, pays how short the tail on the back - perfect for me to live city and to point antenna to far suburbs. I do not know if I would do anything right now as I do not know where I get my house and the most important when. Still this is an excellent link.

The Cat


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02-01-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post ID: 12832
Reply to: 6727
Further contemplating the new home options.
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Among many wet dreams that such weirdo like me have was a notion of having my own high antenna tower. While I was looking at the house that I am pursuing now I made sure that it is in a good reception aria. It is and the antennas of all my major stations are in direct path, not sheltered by local hills.

Still, since it will be my own house and since I have no neighbors I thought that I would erect 130-170 feet antenna tower. I it truly not so expensive, I can do it under 500, but as I begin to check the housing authority of the town my idealistic wet dreams got leas illusionary:

"Town Zoning Code: DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS

 Dimensional Requirements for Wireless Communications Links:
Any wireless communications link shall comply with the dimensional requirements
applicable to structures for the district in which it is located, provided, however, that the
following additional height and dimensional limitations for wireless communications
links involving monopoles, satellite dishes and antennae shall be as follows:

 a. No monopole shall exceed the height required to effectively transmit and receive its
wireless communications system requirements. Monopoles and associated
structures shall comply with the structural setback requirements for the zoning
districts upon which they are located. Except that a monopole shall not be setback
closer than the height relative to any abutting residential lot line.

b. Wireless communications links installed on the exterior of roof tops shall not
exceed fifteen (15) feet above the roof line, exclusive of the roof parapet. Any
antenna or satellite dish shall have a fifteen (15) foot setback from all sides of the
building.

c. The height of antennae and dishes located on residential buildings or in the yards
of residential structures shall not exceed thirty-five (35) feet in height measured
from the average ground elevation of the residential structure or the average
ground elevation of the antenna and/or dish base. These link items shall also
comply with structural setback requirements for their respective residential districts."

That sucks, 15 feet - it was not what I had in my mind. I think if I get the house I will need to get an authority and fight for variance on regulation. BTW, is anyone known what kind people install antennal on the buildings? If I want to put up my large rotatable antenna on the roof and strap it to chimney for instance, then what kind contractor would do it? Electricians, chimney professionals, satellite antenna professionals? I spoke with all of them and not of them do this job.

Romy the Cat


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02-01-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 7
Post ID: 12834
Reply to: 12832
Ham and DX
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The Ham Radio and DX people are clan-ish and there is a deep pool of shared knowledge among the older guys.  It is likely that there is a knowledgable antenna guy living within striking range, or you might get specs from such a guy and have a normal antenna guy, commercial electrician, or even a sign guy put up the mast.

FYI, some of those old eastern townships are about as inflexible as a nature preserve with respect to zoning variances.  You might want to review codes, procedures and fee schedules before you get into a pissing contest with your local overlords.  And along those lines, a local, "civic-minded" alderman who happens to put up ham radio towers could expedite the process, as opposed to using the Irish Traveler who offered the lowest bid, insisting, "You don't need a permit."

Best regards,
Paul S
02-02-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
miab
Canada
Posts 46
Joined on 02-07-2008

Post #: 8
Post ID: 12839
Reply to: 12832
Retractable?
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That is 15 feet above roof line, so say 30 feet altogether if placed away from home in backyard. At 30 feet you could have a nice retractable type almost like the old car pull up telescopic antennae where they are sections within each other.

http://www.tamico.com.tw/eng_11.htm

In the evening and weekends when the city workers don't care what you do and no one's looking, put it up. And when Bylaw comes by, pull the measuring tape and show them the 30m feet your allowedSmile

02-02-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
miab
Canada
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Post ID: 12840
Reply to: 12839
An edit
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I meant to say it would start at 30 feet and then extend to whatever the maximum length the unit you choose extends to. After use you can retract and make city and neighbors happy.

02-02-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post ID: 12841
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Local Boston antenna service.
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Believe me or not but it took for me for a while to find people who know antenna and who do antenna service. Those people are going away and being relapsed by cellular morons who blink at you and ask: “What the heck FM is?”. Anyhow for the local New England folks here is a cool company from New Hampshire

http://www.newenglandantenna.com/

They do any antenna custom works.

Romy the Cat


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04-29-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Eventually I feel like home!!!
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It might sound idiotic but it is what it is. Today I ( with a good help) erected my antenna and I felt that this home become truly my home. It will take more efforts to make this home feel as I would like it to be but my antenna is very important to me.  The antenna is not too high 35- feet but have VERY good reception of needed me station, primary due to the right positing and elevation of the house (220 feet above sea level). Now my home feels much better…

NewHome_Antenna_1.jpg

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The Cat


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04-30-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
tuga


Posts 172
Joined on 12-26-2007

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Post ID: 13385
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Lightning.
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Romy,

This might be a silly question but since you are living out in the open shouldn't you take precautions against lightning?
Is there a lightning rod nearby?

Cheers,
Ric


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11-18-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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How high it will be self-supporting?
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I am looking for a new taller tower for my FM antenna but I wonder how high I can go without a need to set up the balancing weirs. My antenna is big, 11 section yagi and combined with ice it might be a lot of weight. I live in eastern Massachusetts, so we have no hurricanes, still we might have 90mh wind.  I found a guy that looks like sell fine and not terribly expensive towers:

http://shop.ebay.com/oldtowerguy/m.html

Will 40” or 50” be able to stay without the strapping? Does anybody has any experience with it?

The Cat


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12-01-2010 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
AOK_Farmer


Marlboro NY USA
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Joined on 07-08-2004

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Post ID: 15032
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Sonotube and 12 inch steel L bolts and 4000+ lbs of cement
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Is the way to secure that tower.

http://www.ham-radio.com/k6sti/korn193.htm

Did you see the latest from Korner?


Steve
03-31-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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The conversion to a nerd house is almost complete
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Ok, I have something to sleep tonight with – my dream came through and I got today my 60+ feet Rohn 25G antenna tower. With this elevation I will be able to get even Worchester local stations. I just need to get a variance from my town to erect it.  If I ass my rotator and single poll then it will be 75 feet mast. If lightening will not burn my radio and will not barbecue my Cat then I will have great reception.  I might connect to the antenna on demand and tune it off during the thunderstorms… Well, I am sure what I will be erecting it the neighbors will have a lot of fun. I am planning to put on the first section the radioactive sign… 
  
The Cat


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04-01-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post ID: 15909
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For anybody who is screwing with tall FM antenna in US....
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For anybody who is screwing with tall FM antenna there is great site that a lot of useful information about antenna and legal issues in your town. The site owner is Fred Hopengarten – out local Massachusetts telecommunication lawyer who specialized on the subject.

http://www.antennazoning.com/

His book about the erecting antenna is available to preview here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=vTKheSVP3-kC&pg=PA12#v=onepage&q&f=true

The Cat


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04-01-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
scooter
Posts 161
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Post #: 17
Post ID: 15910
Reply to: 15909
Antenna rotation solution
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Given the elements and related difficult access what are you planning to use for rotation purposes? Commercial solution?
04-01-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post ID: 15912
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A tiltable rotator?
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 scooter wrote:
Given the elements and related difficult access what are you planning to use for rotation purposes? Commercial solution?

I am not sure why you feel it is a problem.  The Rohn 25G has a mount for rotor and a standard rotor would do perfectly fine. The standard commercial rotors do not have any precisions of tuning but I do not rotate to a fixed location buy to an appropriate direction + lower current noise. I also like the poll mount for rotor instead of mast mount. Not if I will be able to find a rotor that would do not just do the rotation but also angle-tilting the antenna then I would go for mast-mount. The biggest problem that I see is not antenna but town compliance. When I talk with them they so much remind me bureaucrats in Russia… I left Russia in order do not see them and here they are again….

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
04-01-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
scooter
Posts 161
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Post ID: 15913
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Potentially relevant information for zoning any TV antenna. . .
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Federal regulations on zoning of TV antennas might trump any local rules or boards to your advantage:
http://www.kyes.com/antenna/regulation.html
08-10-2011 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Tomorow is a day off. A time for new antenna.
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Ok, I am redoing my antenna solution and if everything will be fine then I will have tomorrow my 55’ new antenna. The FM reception from my new house is a very interesting subject. I will post some observations, the solution that I went over and what I am trying now.  The new antenna is in way my old wet dream, let see how it works.


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