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Romy the Cat


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Direct to Disc: The Brahms Symphonies / Rattle · Berliner Philharmoniker
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"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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oxric
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But at 499 Euros exclusive of shippping
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Yes, I saw that a week or two ago and was repulsed not so much by the price (which is extortionate) as the implication that recording in this fashion will give superior results to using the best digital techniques available for capturing the performances.

When Berlin Philarmonic started its own in-house label, I thought this was a lovely opportunity to bring reference quality recordings to the dwindling classical music audience at decent prices by cutting out the middle man rather than a profit driven highly exclusive, expensive packaging based commercial venture.

Shame on them...

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steverino
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Subsidies are subsiding
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I am more familiar with the Opera world but I would guess that State subsidies are going down rather than up for Euro orchestras. So there may well be pressure to earn money from alternative sources. I am not saying that this is the best way to get the dough. Perhaps the musicians will put product logos on their sleeves or instruments?
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xandcg


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Seem a test.
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It seem a market test for that type of recording. They probably will launch a few more "luxurious" limited editions to cover everything they spent and guarantee some profit before lower the cost, and if they find out that fashion could be profitable in a long run.

When Berlin Philharmonic started its own in-house label, I thought this was a lovely opportunity to bring reference quality recordings to the dwindling classical music audience at decent prices by cutting out the middle man rather than a profit driven highly exclusive, expensive packaging based commercial venture.


Unless the artist is unknown and do not have a real market, so do not need any real logistics, cutting the "middle man" can make the things a lot of more expensive. A distributor usually deal with serious volume of goods, and so can have considerably lower costs - specially if you are selling globally.

The other scenario is when the seller is so big it justify to maintain its own logistics operations, like Nike, Rebook etc.

Berlin Philharmonic should have a lot of "clients" but certainly they cannot be considerated ever a medium client for a logistic/transport companies. They are not dispatchinga full container every month at least. So, the things are expensive for them.

Not to say they (Berlin Philharmonic) are not even close to the logistics market, and certainly several mistakes were made, and will until they understand how that market works. On that market, if you delay a little bit you (your goods) will be left behind, unless you pay for the time it was idle waiting for you, and even if you are willing to pay sometimes they prefer to leave you behind because they earn more money working to another client at on that time .

And there are other costs. They need to remove the cutting machine from its place, or bought one (unlikely, but still expensive), and pay not just for the time it was used and the logistics, but also for the time it was not used because it was on the transport, being installed (and reinstalled) and sitting the idle.
Cheers!
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Romy the Cat


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Who knows....
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Well, for sure no one deny to Berlin Philharmonic rights to make money. The boxes now cost $500 and I am sure that in 10 years Japanese will be selling it on eBay for $10.000. 
 
There are a few interesting subjects in this. 
 
First is: how good the Best produced LP? If we presume that the new Berlin pressing is a panicle of LP production (I am not saying it is I just say “if”) then how much better would it be compare to the latest let say 4X digital not-edited recording? 
 
I see they loaded a mixing counsel in the track? So, they do not use just 2 mics but poly-mics and the feed was mixed manually? Well, the fact that mixing counsel has zillion oops amplifier and probably a number of internal low quality compressors does not bother anybody. 
 
Another interesting aspect is the LP at those LPs. I own plenty the best today pressings and NONE of them have civilized lower bass. I have no idea why today people do not cut records with proper lower bass. But if you but some crap pressing from 50s then you have VERY different result. 
 
Anyhow, I do not buy these records but I am for sure your like to hear it. Also, it is kind of silly for them to sell $500 record and do not let to preview the recording in MP3. I have no idea if I like the musical interpretation and I do not think anybody want to pay $500  just to try it.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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steverino
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Rattle and Brahms
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
Well, for sure no one deny to Berlin Philharmonic rights to make money. The boxes now cost $500 and I am sure that in 10 years Japanese will be selling it on eBay for $10.000. 
 

Anyhow, I do not buy these records but I am for sure your like to hear it. Also, it is kind of silly for them to sell $500 record and do not let to preview the recording in MP3. I have no idea if I like the musical interpretation and I do not think anybody want to pay $500  just to try it.


Don't forget the Chinese selling the box seats also. They are really into real estate.

As for the interpretations, Romy's point is valid, but it is also true that Rattle has recorded the Brahms Symphonies fairly recently in 2009 for Warner Classics at live concerts. I doubt the interpretation has changed much in that span of time. I give the Amazon link below: It is quite cheap if you buy used.

https://www.amazon.com/Brahms-Symphonies-Johannes/dp/B002AGIEYG/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1479765090&sr=1-1&keywords=rattle+brahms
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