06-06-2026 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree Romy the Cat Boston, MA Posts 10,484 Joined on 05-28-2004 Post #: 41 Post ID: 29777 Reply to: 29748 Ok Robin, we can endlessly debate it but I don't think that we approach from the same direction. You might might approach from audio perspective ot from music perspective. When I begin to work on my book about Bruckner 8 and when event to recognize what at the bottom of it, I very fast recognized that it has nothing to do with sergeya or actually even with music. All of it if it's done properly or just manifestations of something completely different which actually has nothing to do with music or audio and this is the subject of my new books that I insanely interesting to write. If you would like I can give you clue And you can investigate yourself if you want. The change event that you are looking for actually not musical but a psychological, mutation, or state change. "I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

06-07-2026 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree rowuk Germany Posts 514 Joined on 07-05-2012 Post #: 42 Post ID: 29778 Reply to: 29777 Depending on the definition, everything that we think that we sense is psychological - regardless if live or recorded music Romy, I did take the opportunity to investigate Dr. Teplov and his work. It is very interesting HOW he followed up on Pavlov. I am not so far as to being conclusive about where this all goes, but the idea of the nervous system being core to our senses makes sense to me. I was taught and teach that learning is NOT strictly a matter of enough practice, in fact, many important things in performance are acquired by getting a process started and then NOT pushing for louder, faster, higher, rather to sleep on it and let the nervous system deal with sorting it out. In german we say "abliegen lassen" roughly translated, lay it away and come back later. The important part of this method is to take things in a manner that we can deal with, with no mistakes, to capture the essence of the routine with no errors. Very often, when we return to the same exercize a day or 2 later, we can perform it equally accurately but faster, higher, louder - with equal confidence. Teplov's focus on the genetic predisposition is more of a problem for me as it leads to the "exclusive club" of those who have it vs those that do not something I do not see in the world around me. I firmly believe that much of Teplov's strength, mobility, balance, and dynamism can be acquired by process (conditioning). What I do not know is how much Teplov had to "satisfy" his soviet ideologs... In any case, my personal conditioning, balanced by innate capabilities do shape my approach, understanding and pleasure of playback and live instances alike. Funny enough, the same things give me pleasure and annoy me live and recorded. It is not the same experience, but my reaction is the same. Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.