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09-28-2023 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 41
Post ID: 27271
Reply to: 27269
The Ghost of Resonating Oops
I tend to look at specs even though they might not tell much about sound. I saw that one of the DSP processors has an ambience type phase injection option for a pair of front ambience-type speakers, along with the rear ambient speakers. I am probably not describing it correctly, but I mean the extra front and rear speakers can be configured to be of the same or similar stripe. This sent my mind waaay back through the GSC archives to the days of Resonating Oops (and the Lamm L1). Which is to say, the idea has been kicked around for some time; we are still looking for a viable implementation.

Paul S
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 42
Post ID: 27272
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The Ghost of Resonating Oops
I saw that one of the DSP processors has an option to put a pair of "rear-type" ambience speakers in front, along with the main speakers. I am probably describing it incorrectly, but this sent my mind waay back in the GSC archives, to the days of resonating oops (and the Lamm L1). We are still talking about this, still looking for a viable solution.

Sorry about the double post. The 1st one did not appear at first, and then I couldn't delete it.

Paul S
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ArmAlex
Iran
Posts 106
Joined on 02-15-2009

Post #: 43
Post ID: 27273
Reply to: 27263
The mechanism
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-09-neural-underpinnings-effects-presence.html
09-30-2023 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Bill
Kensington, NH
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Joined on 03-15-2010

Post #: 44
Post ID: 27274
Reply to: 27273
Auro 3 d possibilities
https://www.stormaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/whitepaper_auro3d_home_theater_setup_guidelines_v8_13062017.pdf
This is the setup guidelines for Auro 3d. How you decide on the numbers and placement of spekerrs depends on how you want to impliment it. Obviously the higher the number of speakers and their height levels, the more accurate the sound field reproduction of the original concert hall. 
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 45
Post ID: 27275
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Recreating Music and/or Venues

Some time ago I posed two hypothetical questions: 1) How big does a system have to be to satisfactorily present Music? 2)  How big can a system get before it interferes with the Music? These are actually two takes on a very complex question, and I do not know the answer, but I do wonder if a locked idea of “perfect recreation” might lead me anywhere but to Musical satisfaction. I have also opined that a smaller system can be satisfying, and a big, powerful system is harder to implement than a smaller system, at least this is the case where “high demands” music listening is concerned. As “proof” of the small half of this, I offer the documented episode where ostensibly sane, “experienced” listeners were totally smitten with the Dunnoys. As “proof” of the big half, I offer any bad sounding big system one might hear. I am not making light of this, rather I am more or less hoping to somehow fall into my own aural wormhole without actually “recreating” anything “en-totale”, but including “enough” to bring a performance across in my listening room. Sure, I am now putting a lot of power into my listening room. But no one is going to mistake the Music I get for a live performance, are they? Certainly not when we’re talking symphonies. But I am listening for Musical Content, a subject I could take off on. I am also often “mining” performances I have heard many times. And, for all the legitimate criticisms of recordings, I have to say, I have been able to newly appreciate my records for over 60 years, now. I do realize this says as much about me as it does my systems or my records; but I also include myself and my personal perceptions in the designs and implementations of my systems over the years. For better or for worse, I really only have to fool myself.>>



Paul S

10-03-2023 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
rowuk


Germany
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Post #: 46
Post ID: 27276
Reply to: 27275
A trip to neural bliss - turn the stereo off
To be honest, I think that ANY stereo system gets in the way of the music - regardless of the amount of channels.

Let us jump back to the monaural records/radio years. At that time, we had one choice and were very satisfied in being able to play back music "off line" - whenever we desired. We were limited to the records that we had purchased or what happened to be on the radio, but got ENORMOUS pleasure by the fact that we were not tied to the original event. There was not a great availability of "upgrades" so our focus actually was on the music. We never asked how much system was too little or too much.

Fast forward to the availability of stereo LPs, we had a great deal of things to deal with. 1) the EQ curves were not standard2) the recording techniques created an additional level of interpretation by having the recording engineers using support microphones to "bring out" important voices in the symphonic fabric or even using left/right to separate voices. That was certainly NOT what the classical composers had going in their heads when composing, and in many cases dramatically "distorted" the geometry of the original performance.3) Upgrade possibilities became available. Starting in the 1950s, we started to get affordable quality and many options. Instead of focusing on the music, technology became the marketing argument.4) the advent of the audiophile: now instead of better specifications and performance, the pseudo science of audiophilology dragged us into many different discussions, some sonically relevant, others simply a mine is bigger, shinier, louder, faster argument

I firmly believe that we can only have our Musical presentation (with a big M) in first place, if we have control of our need to show off (even to ourselves). If we think about technology during music appreciation sessions, we need to solve that issue. It is independent of the technology. Perhaps we need to schedule geek sessions?

I do not think that there is any limit to the size of a system, the problem is our own perception. For some, this means flat black instead of shiny speaker systems, for others it means invisible in wall systems. For yet others, it means complete automation of the process for a "set and forget" implementation of surround. Yet others turn off the stereo and read scores, letting the image form totally in their minds. 

For me, reducing the amount of things to adjust on the fly has been a big help. Basically, I only use toe in between "intimate" and "spacious" and loudness to get the most plausible. The thought of surround would be only practical IF it automatically selected the right amount depending on the music played. I got at least some of that with the old Hafler L-R/R-L scheme.robin_speakers_2023.jpg



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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 47
Post ID: 27277
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Whatever It Takes (And Less Is More)
Never used the old Hafler (quad) much, mostly because I had so many mono LPs at the time, and that system (if I remember correctly) worked best with hard-panned stereo. Basically, I agree with you, and whatever I wind up with will be fairly easy to use, and I aim to keep the Music well ahead of any sound effects. Again, the idea has been and is to keep my current Music library interesting by keeping the system about the Music, itself. Still not sure if acceptabe ambience can be had with/from mono LPs, and, as you may have noticed, I'm not in a hurry to work on my system, especially when The Loudspeakers have already put a lot on my plate, Musically speaking.

Best regards,
Paul S
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