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More here
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www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01zcr6d
I shall try to get along to the Science museum while this exhibition is ongoing.
I did hear the WE12 & WE13 horns at the Munich show last week. That installation was extremely impressive on the occasions I visited.
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ALE, Beryllium.
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I just like to add, I don't know a better topic or feel the need to open a specific one, but looking on this Norway forum (below) seems ALE have Beryllium as option:

http://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/vennetra-der-hifimerker/66118-ale-acoustics-oem-owners-exclusive-membership-print.html

ALE Product list:

http://www.nonsolomusica.biz/pagine/da%20mettere%20in%20futuro/prodotti_ale.html


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Images.
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Some images: http://www.nonsolomusica.biz/pagine/gallery.html


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GOTO horns.
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GOTO Horns: http://www.hififorum.at/showthread.php?s=889ad472f1c786af4f78ef0ef2848836&t=5802


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Horn Mouth.
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Romy,

In general thinking, I mean in average, a horn to be used with ALE P160 or GOTO SG-146LD with a mouth of 2.8m x 2m (5.6m²) or 110" x ~79", is appropriated to going down to how many cycle, considering full mouth? What should be the length?

Thanks!


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About 41Hz
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 xandcg wrote:
Romy,

In general thinking, I mean in average, a horn to be used with ALE P160 or GOTO SG-146LD with a mouth of 2.8m x 2m (5.6m²) or 110" x ~79", is appropriated to going down to how many cycle, considering full mouth? What should be the length?

Thanks!

Full mouth at 5.6m3 is about 41Hz.  Quarter wavelength of 40Hz is 2.15m so you would need a horn longer than that.
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Thanks.
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Many thanks!

How do I calculate horn mouth, cycles and length?


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It is not difficult
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 xandcg wrote:
Many thanks!

How do I calculate horn mouth, cycles and length?

The required full-mouth radius of a circular horn is given when the circumference of the mouth equals the full wavelength of the frequency in question.  So given that 40Hz has a wavelength of 860cm, the Radius = 860/pi/2 = 136.9cm.  Calculate the area of a circle (Area = pi.rad.rad) and then you have the full mouth area (in this case 58855cm2).  From there you can divide that area any way you like (within reason) to get the square or rectangular or other dimensions of a full mouth horn. 

To horn load you need a horn with a length that is at least as long as a quarter of a wavelength of the lowest frequency you want to load.  So, 40Hz = 860cm wavelength, so the horn needs to be at least 215cm (860/4) long.  From the perspective of sensitivity gain a longer horn is better and maximum efficiency is gained when the horn is one wavelength long.

Regarding full-mouth vs half-mouth vs quarter-mouth horns, they can all be used in different circumstances.  Full-mouth when radiating into open space; half mouth when radiating into 2pi space (i.e. along a ceiling or a floor); quarter-mouth when radiating into 1pi space (i.e. when radiating along two surfaces such as a wall and a floor).

Hope this makes sense.
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Just right now!
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Hi Anthony,

I was figured it out just right now. Your reply was a very good confirmation. Big Smile

But now a few more questions come to my mind, if you don't mind:

1 - in a room around 15m x 9m x 5m (675m³) with the horn placed on the back wall or in the corner, a half-mouth would be more appropriated than full-mouth or would be the minimum requirement?

2 - how the decision about mouth size (half or quarter) affect the length? A half-mouth horn was a half length requirement?

3 - What would be the difference between using 2 identical half-mouth horns and a full-mouth?

4 - How do the use of two or more drivers directly affect the length of a horn?

Many thanks!



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I might not be the best person to ask...
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...because I have never built a big horn such as this.  My knowledge is theoretical only.  But the way that I understand it is as follows...

 xandcg wrote:


1 - in a room around 15m x 9m x 5m (675m³) with the horn placed on the back wall or in the corner, a half-mouth would be more appropriated than full-mouth or would be the minimum requirement?


People build them all kinds of fractions of full mouth and get decent or perhaps even good results.  The basic rule is that the smaller the mouth the more SPL ripple you can expect on the output.  If you are careful, you can probably build a quarter-mouth horn in that situation and get a good result.  A well built smaller horn will probably give better results than a poorer construction on a larger horn.  Note that it is the location of the mouth of the horn that determines if it is free-radiating/1pi/2pi et cetera...the throat or back or any other part of the horn has no bearing on its radiation pattern...just how the mouth is aligned to large things that effectively become extensions of the horn such as walls/floor/ceilings/cupboards and so on.

 xandcg wrote:


2 - how the decision about mouth size (half or quarter) affect the length? A half-mouth horn was a half length requirement?


The length of the horn is primarily determined by three things:  the size of the throat; the size of the mouth; the expansion profile in between the throat and mouth.  Tractrix is one of the shorter profiles, but perhaps is less useful in lower frequency horns because of it length.  The longer exponential profiles and derivatives may be more useful if you really want to get a decent sound at the lower knee of the horn.
 xandcg wrote:

3 - What would be the difference between using 2 identical half-mouth horns and a full-mouth?


Assuming construction is equal, the full-mouth would give higher gain and a more linear (less ripple) SPL.  It is also likely to scare small children if you paint it black.

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4 - How do the use of two or more drivers directly affect the length of a horn?


Well, I don't really see the point of two drivers in a horn.  But setting that aside two drivers will not affect the length of the horn unless the driver causes the horn to use a larger throat.
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Got it.
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Thank Anthony, I got the general idea. Big Smile


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5" and 6"
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Well I don't know a better place to post it, and I do not feel it is enough information to justify a new topic.

IIRC the ALE 160 driver is reported here (goodsoundclub) as having a 4" throat diameter but I found out it may be indeed 5" but with a "SUPER Extra" version with 6".

Source: http://www.hifisentralen.no/forumet/diy-og-utvikling-ha-yttalere-forsterkere-etc/77077-det-aller-beste-basselementet-6.html

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These bass compression drivers.
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Xandcg, these bass compression drivers is a controversial subject. T think there are 3 of them ALE 160 and P1260 and GOTO SG-146LD. I think they all 4”, it would be very nice if they were 6”. However, 6” exit might be a bit too wide for compression type diaphragms.  Anyhow, as I said it is those drivers are debatable. We kind of accustomed that in compression drivers the intrinsic sonic quality of compression drivers is very much observable. However, with midbass channel it is more complicated. If with MF channel you make a proper horn then good 50-60% of sound is the sound of compression driver itself. With midbass the total sound of channel is about 20% come from the driver and the rest comes from the horn design, channels integration methods, room integration methods and a few other factors. So, in my view the bass compression drivers mostly a cause of problem then a solution and I would be very watchful to employ them.>>



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Now I got.
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Thanks Romy,
With midbass the total sound of channel is about 20% come from the driver and the rest comes from the horn design, channels integration methods, room integration methods and a few other factors.

Now I got why exactly midbass horns are reported to be so complicated to be properly made.

In regards to the drivers, just to clarify based on my finds of what seems to be the manufacture proposal (I may be wrong of course):

ALE 1260 (now 126) (4") - upperbass-midbass
ALE 160 (5") - midbass-subbass
ALE 160 (6") - subbass-infrasonic (15 Hz) - this one seems to have a bigger magnet, 160 Kg in total.
SG-146LD (4") - upperbass-subbass (whole package)

Those drivers are "problematic" because is near impossible to find one to make some tests without buying them, unless if luckily happens to know someone whom own them. Also there are no website, I managed to find a e-mail of a supposed "International Commercial" person from ALE but I never got an answer.

PS. the website seems not to be respecting the text formatting. Everything become a "single phrase" when I post or ever on the preview. I use Opera or Firefox. I am using Gentoo Linux here.
PS.2  I had to leave one empty line per paragraph in order to have them respected, and two to have a actual empty line between the paragraphs.

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Specs.
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Those are the specs I managed to find from ALE, but certainly incomplete (or outdated) because those new versions (like 160 Super Extra) are missing. I am leaving here just in case.

Another species High
Horn Model 1710 / 1750DE / 1750DEP / 17002
Play frequency band 6000Hz or more
Play sound pressure level 105db / 110db / 115db / 115db
Rated input 10W
Nominal impedance 8 / 16Ω
Magnetic flux density 2.35T / 2.40T / 2.40T / 2.40T
Magnetic circuit Ring · P / ring · P / All · P / ring · P
External dimensions φ125 × 130 / φ160 × 150 / φ160 × 180 / φ195 × 260
Weight 7kg / 22kg / 25kg / 45kg
Price (pair) excluding tax ¥ 338. / ¥ 640 / ¥ 1.500 / ¥ 1.560 (units of thousand yen)




Another species Mid-High
Horn Model 4550D / 4550DE / 4550DEP / 45002
Play frequency band 500 to 20.000
Play sound pressure level 105db / 110db / 115db / 115db
Rated input 25W
Nominal impedance 8 / 16Ω
Magnetic flux density 2.35T / 2.40T / 2.40T / 2.40T
Magnetic circuit Ring · P / ring · P / All · P / ring · P
External dimensions φ125 × 150 / φ160 × 170 / φ160 × 200 / φ195 × 270
Weight 7kg / 22kg / 25kg / 45kg
Price (pair) excluding tax ¥ 330. / ¥ 640 / ¥ 1.500 / ¥ 1.560 (units of thousand yen)




Another species MID
Horn Model 7550DE / 7550DEP / 75002
Play frequency band 100 to 10.000
Play sound pressure level 110db / 115db / 115db
Rated input 35W
Nominal impedance 8 / 16Ω
Magnetic flux density 2.40T
Magnetic circuit Ring · P / All · P / ring · P
External dimensions φ160 × 170 / φ160 × 200 / φ195 × 280
Weight 23kg / 26kg / 45kg
Price (pair) excluding tax ¥ 680.000- / ¥ 1.500.000- / ¥ 1.600.000-




Another species MID-BASS
Horn Model 126 / 126D
Play frequency band 20 to 1.000
Play sound pressure level 105db
Rated input 50W
Nominal impedance 8 / 16Ω
Magnetic flux density 2.20T / 2.30T
Magnetic circuit Ring · P
External dimensions φ250 × 330 / φ259 × 400
Weight 50kg / 98kg
Price (pair) excluding tax ¥ 1.640. / ¥ 2.660




Another species BASS
Horn Model 160 / 160D
Play frequency band 15 to 1.000
Play sound pressure level 105db
Rated input 70W
Nominal impedance 8 / 16Ω
Magnetic flux density 2.15T / 2.30T
Magnetic circuit Ring · P
External dimensions φ250 × 350 / φ250 × 420
Weight 65kg / 100kg
Price (pair) excluding tax ¥ 1.640 /2.600 (units of thousand yen)


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Those bass drivers ....
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 xandcg wrote:
Now I got why exactly midbass horns are reported to be so complicated to be properly made.

   
Well, I do not think you did as I promise your that the complexity is much more then you know, or at least then what I have said. I was started to talk about it in the thread of that Moscow guy who bought recently Goto bass drivers and popped up at my site trying to build something with them but he is not the person who is capable to make anything worth attention ad any conversation with him are worthless.
   
The specification of those drivers is truly irrelevant as the drivers are not made by the people who know what they do.  All those bass drivers, YL, Goto, ALE are derivatives of Yoshimur’s ideas wish is not bad itself but deny any common sense on a great scale. Kind of similar to the La-profile ideas: not a bad concept but advanced by the people who have no ears and no practical experiences.  
   
Those drivers are "problematic" not because is near impossible to find one to make some tests without buying them. To properly “try” them is a huge endeavor and it will cost you more to try them then to buy them. If I have them for free I would put them in storage and do not use them. Not because they are bad divers but because it is too hard to do it properly.



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I am not willing to make them myself.
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Many thanks for your attention.
I will not try to make the horns myself since I do not have the necessary abilities for that. I am too far, educational/professional-wise, from a related field to acquire the enough information to properly make anything worthiness in a reasonable time.
What I am trying to do is to absorb the maximum (worthiness) information I can in order to have how to proper commit it to someone, maybe Cessaro, to make then. I do not believe there are advantages in commit anything custom made if I do not have a minimum reasonable knowledge - let me call it tactical knowledge - of what will/is going on, including not knowing what is worthless in the standard configuration, because in reality I would do not know why/what I want to be custom - if it make any sense.
I hope you do not mind I am your site.

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"Cost"
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Alexandre, perhaps you are missing Romy's point that the "cost" of this is very high, whether in dollars or in time and effort, and it is usually an insurmountable combination of these things, not to mention that I have not mentioned the all-important "right capabilities and direction" that must "be there in the first place". It's not like it's impossible; it's rather highly unlikely that all conditions will be soon met by someone who simply takes it in his mind to do it. Adding others to do custom work may speed up part of the process, but it will certainly add considerably to monetary costs, and turn-around times for this work can be very long between trials, and there will in any case be many (very expensive) trials, given one has the ears to make it worthwhile in the first place.

Not to simply rain on the parade, starting out with an "acceptable" "bought" system is not only honorable, it will likely save you time and money, overall, and you can actually listen to Music while you learn about Sound and Hi-Fi.

Best regards,
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I had got it.
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Paul, Thanks!

Yes, I had got the Romy point. I am just too obstinate to get that thing done but indeed I am still considerate a standard system as start point too. My problem with that, buy a standard one before, were I always try to avoid to have to buy the same thing two times. I usually prefer to wait a bit more and then buy what I want one time and right. But indeed I do not know if this way will work well here.

Also, based on some information their dealers spread around, what maybe correct or no, Cessaro usually like to serious try every driver on the market, then my hope is they already find a way to make a proper horn for those drivers, or at least one of them.

Due to some personal/professional issues (I am to moving on to another country but without a schedule to it) I need to keep delaying  the time where I will begin to serious looking on it. My plan anyway is to start with a nice headphone/amp, maybe a more low/medium level Lampizator, to have something to play with then start dealing with those loudspeakers problems. The electronics to be used with I already have them more or less negotiated with the manufacturer in advance.

IIRC there is a Cessaro dealer here, would be nice if he/she could tell us what experience Cessaro has with those drivers (GOTO, ALE), if any.
EDIT: G.I.P drivers also come to mind, but I do not know yet.

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Hearsay
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This is the usual situation for most people, I think, And only you can decide which "club" to join, based on who likes what, for which reasons. First is appreciation of real Music, then is appreciation of the Sound of Music, then it's playing with the hi-fi, then it is using hi-fi to shape the Sound. If there is a way to cut corners here, I don't know about it. Be sure to find something you actually "like" the sound of to start, something that makes you involved with the Music of your own choosing, and don't put too much store in what others say.


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  »  New  A right midbass solution for Altec 515G...  Its even possible to make my midbass......  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     21  200016  05-06-2007
  »  New  About bass horns by Johan Dreyer..  There are lowest bass horns and there are not lowest b...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     5  95270  02-11-2008
  »  New  Barn Conversion - James' Project..  The vintage vs. contemporary compression driver....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     28  367920  02-04-2007
  »  New  Chinese upperbass horn...  Some sensibility about bass reproduction...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     35  376313  08-08-2005
  »  New  Eventually - a reasonable midbass horn from GOTO..  Clever DIY going on where?...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     97  1203196  11-19-2007
  »  New  Magico: Robert Harley’s upperbass mouth...  Surprisingly interesting write up by Federated Mike abo...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     35  338066  02-19-2006
  »  New  Jessie Dazzle Project..  Will this better to be auditable?...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     172  1571933  08-03-2007
  »  New  Problems with horns: upper bass ..  Must it be about loading?...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     109  1176955  03-25-2005
  »  New  Denouncing of idea of Bass Horns...  Denouncing of idea of Bass Horns....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     0  27065  04-15-2008
  »  New  Horn high-sensitively around Boston..  Horn high-sensitively around Boston...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     0  15824  10-29-2008
  »  New  The Macondo’s Upper Bass Channel: what is next?..  Görlich again...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     30  292286  10-28-2007
  »  New  More about the EdgarHorn Bass..  More about the EdgarHorn Bass...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     0  29943  01-13-2005
  »  New  Experience Music Horn Installation @ VSAC..  RCA MI-1428B vs Vitavox S2...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     25  282202  05-27-2008
  »  New  A book about Loudspeakers and Rooms?..  Book review...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     5  52177  08-18-2009
  »  New  How to select mid/upper bass horn drivers...  How to select mid/upper bass horn drivers....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     0  25795  08-25-2009
  »  New  ... again on GOTO Unit drivers.....  GOTO installation in Lithuania....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     108  1149705  08-16-2008
  »  New  Learn to listen your listening rooms..  Rooms and music-rooms...  Audio For Dummies ™  Forum     15  132932  04-05-2005
  »  New  Amplifiers heat… a real-estate solution?..  I have seen this simular concept...  Melquiades Amplifier  Forum     1  25905  09-18-2009
  »  New  I have a dream, the dream about a Chair...  A bit exaggerated to me....  Playback Listening  Forum     31  229687  10-29-2009
  »  New  8" Goto Woofer for 60Hz Horn..  It's not a Goto 8in driver...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     5  87898  11-03-2008
  »  New  The Real Total Horn..  The Real Total Horn...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     0  16259  01-17-2008
  »  New  My Multi-way Horns..  Faital chamber/ratio...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     8  127981  11-29-2009
  »  New  The 5-ways from Germany...  Another Kid?...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     38  258778  12-06-2009
  »  New  A datacenter at home and … "sound"...  Noise cancellation not likely possible...  Audio Discussions  Forum     6  50523  02-16-2010
  »  New  DSET and Cables...  DSET and Cables....  Audio Discussions  Forum     0  16301  02-23-2010
  »  New  Romy The Cat's new Listening Room..  Won't be the last time he makes that trip!...  Audio Discussions  Forum     478  2947682  03-28-2010
  »  New  An idea of “Rain Wake-Up Horn”?..  Looking Deeper into Rain Wake Up Horn...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     3  33920  05-08-2010
  »  New  Macondo’s Midbass Project – the grown up time...  Vitavox 15/40...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     455  2994936  05-20-2010
  »  New  Macondo’s lowest channel...  What truly are you tryin to accomplish?...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     150  1405965  09-15-2010
  »  New  Superbly interesting effect: Suspended decoupled floor ..  Superbly interesting effect: Suspended decoupled floor ...  Playback Listening  Forum     0  18224  10-08-2010
  »  New  Mystery of bass horn calibration: Radiating Surface Dee..  Mystery of bass horn calibration: Radiating Surface Dee...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     0  17373  02-03-2011
  »  New  Dedicated Music Room Build..  Show it....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     6  62077  03-03-2011
  »  New  What are the effects of back chamber volume for mid-bas..  A ha!...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     2  22522  09-27-2013
  »  New  A listening room for a domesticated Cat?..  Eventually!...  Audio Discussions  Forum     283  965253  02-04-2016
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