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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 41
Post ID: 16378
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...and of cause there is another half of the story.
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All of those full of pomposity and pretentiousness online confident professors have very pale appearance as they need to demonstrate the actual results. The mouth running is great but audio is not literature but Sound. So, the another half of the story is a very predictable and never failed pattern that all those scared and impotent Joe Roberts demonstrate after I headed what they actually accomplished. As soon I hear the Sound of those self-proclaimed professors , pointing out the huge problems with Sound and get home than  I begin to have phone calls and emails informing that as soon I left the “professor”  begin to inform everyone that Romy raped his grandmamma, defecated on kitchen table, killed the family pats and poisoned all trees in his garden. Actually the best was from another Joe Roberts from Chicago who informer that I am caring a gun and threaten to kill anybody if I degree with my critiques. This that all that industry dirt is all about and this is the very other and very indicative half of the story…

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 42
Post ID: 16424
Reply to: 16314
Munich High End - show impressions...
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... by Jeffrey W. Jackson

http://hifiheroin.blogspot.com/2011/06/munich-high-end-show-impressions.html

The Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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jessie.dazzle


Paris, France
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Post #: 43
Post ID: 16427
Reply to: 16369
Memo to Silbatone
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In response to:
http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PageIndex=2&postID=16369#16369
Joe Roberts jroberts at io.com
Mon May 30 18:24:25 CDT 2011
http://mailman.io.com/pipermail/sound/2011-May/020657.html

Well now, that's quite the little out burst. I would not have expected such a ham-fisted and adolescent form of expression from someone who makes his living from writing. Aside from coming across as a total slave to his emotions, the overall message conveyed by Roberts is that Romy has obviously struck a nerve; the only way to do that is by confronting someone with the truth.
 
Memo to Silbatone: Associating yourselves with a person who expresses himself in this way will undermine your hard work and any credibility your products might deserve.

jd*


How to short-circuit evolution: Enshrine mediocrity.
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 44
Post ID: 16429
Reply to: 16427
Joe Roberts and his Jonathan Weiss illness
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 jessie.dazzle wrote:
Memo to Silbatone: Associating yourselves with a person who expresses himself in this way will undermine your hard work and any credibility your products might deserve.

I kind of thought this way initially but then I change my view. Silbatone is not truly look for developing of credibility, demonstrate any pushy result or get some market share for own products or ideas. If they do then they would not engage those ineffective cult-whores like Joe Roberts. There are plenty of products mover in the industry who actually crate sales and traffic. Joe Roberts and alike are from perspective of global sales are village idiots, the Silbatone owners can’t not be uninformed.

It is highly likely that Silbatone do not look to develop any further opportunity for themselves. I do not blame them. As I heard behind Silbatone stays a wealthy Korean industrialist who has a bobby to spend some money for audio collecting.  It is always around those people there is a pack of little fish who use somebody else recourse to play with opportunities, or on case of Joe Roberts: to play with words. Again there is nothing wrong with this, still I do feel that the last Silbatone loudspeaker is a very good scalable configuring for little money and in good marketing hands it might become a very successful model. I looks unfortunately that Silbatone will not be developing this idea further, it is pity…. I will not be surprised if somebody with more objective to become successful would do the same configuration as the last Silbatone’s speaker.

BTW, pay attention that Silbatone did not do anything interesting in loudspeakers. They collect vintage WE that is not indication of own thinking in my book. Their former spear with propagating wave driver was very much foolish and their remade of WE are not interesting and primitive. The new Silbatone that they show off in Munich was actually a first good demonstration of Silbatone own design and in my view a very good thinking. Sure, the BS that Silbatone’s Joe express doe not encourage too much to look at the Silbatone seriously but it is not about people but about design ideas. Joe Roberts is essentially a person of Jonathan Weiss level - it is no surprise that in there he has a full bloom – his taste and class of judgment are unfortunately self-evident. How does it relate to Silbatone? I do not know. I am not in business to promote or demote audio frustrations, I am bystander.  Unfortunately Joe is in different business – running mouth on audio subjects to retouch reality. There was time - 20 years back, what he was not “prepaid commercials provider” – he had interests to what he was saying. Now he is dead and all that he do or has interests in audio is searching internet for word “Silbatone” and stick his tang and any hole that mention Silbatone. Funny, his is so superficial that he does not even understand what people are taking about his protégé, very alike to Jonathan Weiss.

The caT

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Stitch


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Post #: 45
Post ID: 16432
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High End will die anyway, it will be replaced with high price tags for nonsens
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I heard from a Professional Journalist who was all days at Munich High End Show that they didn't have many visitors. The official numbers are critical, he said, they must have counted every Leg and Arm as Visitors.
And it was the same boring demos as every year, no even worse (hard to believe, but it was possible).
More or less a Apple Show (MacBooks + Dac).
These Horn Demonstrations were something different to the usual Stuff we all know. But he wasn't impressed, too.
Based on the high prices there, a lot of small manufacturers can't afford it to show their products. So it was even more boring than the years before.

Kind Regards
Stitch
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 46
Post ID: 16435
Reply to: 16432
High what?
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 Stitch wrote:
High End will die anyway, it will be replaced with high price tags …

Actually it is very valid point. High-End Audio as a notion implies advance sound reproduction by all means, with disregard to cost-benefit analyses or any other considerations. Unfortunately many manufacture today offer just high prices, in fact ridicules high prices but do not offer audio advancement.  Interesting the high prices are not the presentation of high flying topology but just the tribute to un-punished environment where audio pimps operate. Nowadays it is impolite to make a loudspeaker that cost less than $100K and to propose that it might sound well. Interesting the this $100K does not buy an advanced topology of better sound and in most of the cases it deliver sound very comparable to $150 JVC table radio. I am very much not kidding. The only loudspeaker from the late time that I feel is topological more or less justified to have high cost are Cresaro Gamma but still – they are TAD level loudspeakers if you know what I mean. No matter what you do with TAD driver they will still do not get better then TAD drivers – so in my mind Cresaro Gamma are at the level of the same $20K retail – with TADs they will not do anything pushy.

What I am interested is to see why buy those $250K loudspeakers. For sure no one does and they if are sold then at huge secretive discounts, perhaps at 65-75% off. Still, the people who pay even $50K-$70K for a pair of loudspeakers – do they have any mind to understand that for $50K they shell have something more than shiny box with 2-3 drivers?

A few years back I was meeting a local audio guy who did pay around $65K for a pair of new loudspeakers – 3 drivers in box. I visited him, it sounded like shit, not only because of loudspeakers but because many other reasons. I of course told him but he insisted that I do not understand anything.  I asked him what I need to understand. She pointed out to me that the wood pattern on his right and left loudspeaker is absolutely symmetric and if left loudspeaker has under the shiny surface some kind of wooden texture then the right loudspeaker has absolutely identical texture but mirrored.  Honestly, the guy was so proud about this fact that I decided do not ruin his triumph. I did not go to his listening room since then however…

Rgs, Romy the Cat

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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