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cv
Derby, United Kingdom
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Post #: 41
Post ID: 1735
Reply to: 1734
Re: Personal question

You were bidding too eh? I think Romy will be keeping quiet about hot kit in future ...

Actually, while you guys are here, are there any plans to shut down analogue broadcasting in your neck of the woods? Might want to hang on to those records...

cheers

cv

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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 42
Post ID: 1736
Reply to: 1734
Re: Personal answer

 Antonio J. wrote:
What will you do with the second TU-X1? Are you planning to do some modifications on it? I was about bidding for it while it was very affordable, but once it started to get more and more expensive and I noticed it was you.... I decided my TU-919 is very good too ;-)

Nope, I’m not planning to “do” anything with it and I got the second one purely because I have the first one. I mean the result that I got out of the first one was so phenomenally inspiring that I sincerely feel that even for $2K or $3K for this tuner is a spectacular bargain.

I have mine that I been using dally and if something goes wrong with it I would like do not be left without theTU-X1 as I do not know anyone who would be able to fix them. Yes, I got another one purely for the sake of having another perfectly operation unit, boxed and sitting in my storage. It is not an expansive greedy intention but in my mind it is fully justifiable. I will not wiling to peruse any other FM source (I do not thing else better would be ever build) and I would like to be certain that I will be supplied to the rest of my life with sound quality that the TU-X1 offers.

Also, Antonio, believe me or not but I do feel that I peaty much stole it. You see if we have in audio any relation between the prices we pay and the sonic reimbursement the we get out of audio then looking as the prices we ordinary pay for some other sources ($5K for transports + $10K for DAC, $10-20K for TT + $3K for cartridge) I sincerely believe that TU-X1 should cost somewhere near $22K-$25K. In fact, in addition that the TU-X1 offers the sonic result better or similar then a $25K source also the TU-X1 is much more fruitful source then CD or LP as a tuner offers much more culturally richer and more device programming. (Of course in the cities when there are available good FM classical stations… and here is where Boston rules!)

So, looking at all of it I figured out the an nice l back-up TU-X1 would not heart… Now, the fan part is that if I keep my blabbering mouse shut then I would get it even cheaper as I unknowingly was bidding in there against another reader of this site…

The caT


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Antonio J.
Madrid, Spain
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Post #: 43
Post ID: 1737
Reply to: 1736
Shhhhh

I haven't listened to the TU-X1, but I can swear that my TU-919 is a better source than my Bidat or my vinyl rig in terms of creating an atmosphere of music. Here we only have two decent stations, one for classical which from time to time broadcasts concerts by the Orchestre de la Suisse Romande, Concertgebow and also from our local Auditorium. Really enjoyable, yesterday they broadcasted some piano pieces by Fanny Mendelssohn and my wife and I were astonished for the wonderful music it was. The other station is good for jazz and modern music. All the rest are pure crap for program and for sound quality. I wish we had more classical program stations over here.

I thought to buy an affordable TU-X1 just for the sake to see if this can be any better, but I suspect that your TU-X1 and the TU-919 must be members of the same family and make music quite similarly.
I agree that if things were priced for their performance, then these tuners should cost way way more, we're lucky that from time to time some can be found. Have you listened to other Sansui tuners? I wonder if the more affordable and simpler models like the TU-9900 or TU-717 can be doing things this same way. I feel tempted to get a TU-9900 just for the sake to try it and know.

If you ever get tired to have the TU-X1 stored, let me know, but remember that I know how much you paid hahahaha ;-)

Best regards,

Antonio

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Antonio J.
Madrid, Spain
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Post #: 44
Post ID: 1738
Reply to: 1735
About analog broadcasts
I was told that they were thinking to stop analog FM stations and have them broadcasting in digital DAB, but I found the official webpage of the government about it. It's sure that they will stop (in Spain, don't know other countries) aerial analog TV on 2011 but they state clearly that AM and FM aren't meant to disappear, although DAB has already assigned frequencies and bandwidth. We've got plenty of time to enjoy our tuners and recording a lot of music. That's why I'm so interested on Romy's experiments, but that damn Lavry is way too expensive for my budget. Maybe the "blue" ADC can work as good.

Regards,

Antonio
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cv
Derby, United Kingdom
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Post #: 45
Post ID: 1739
Reply to: 1738
Re: About analog broadcasts

Allo Antonio,

I think for the UK it's 2012. Also, hHere in London the only classical station worth listening to if you ask me is BBC Radio 3. So a TU-X1 and Lavry would be something of an enormous investment all things considered. I'm fairly sure we'll see a decline in quality on analogue anyway in the run up.

It did make me consider trying to build a tuner that was "hardwired" to Radio 3, should be possible to achieve something spectacularly good...

i'm curious as to whether the Lavry and PC etc will resolve Romy's issues with DSP or at least, achieving a transparent delay for bass horns. But that's another thread...

 

cheers

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Antonio J.
Madrid, Spain
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Post #: 46
Post ID: 1740
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Interesting idea
"It did make me consider trying to build a tuner that was "hardwired" to Radio 3, should be possible to achieve something spectacularly good..."

If you get rid of the circuits for tunning all the bandwidth adjusting it just for BBC3 frequency and also place an antenna to catch it the best as possible it should improve reception quite a lot. You might try it with some affordable old Sansui 9900 or TU-717. Let's hope they wouldn't decide to move their tunning to another frequency hahaha.

regards
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 47
Post ID: 1741
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Cache the entire Old World?

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 cv wrote:
I think for the UK it's 2012. Also, hHere in London the only classical station worth listening to if you ask me is BBC Radio 3. So a TU-X1 and Lavry would be something of an enormous investment all things considered. I'm fairly sure we'll see a decline in quality on analogue anyway in the run up.

It did make me consider trying to build a tuner that was "hardwired" to Radio 3, should be possible to achieve something spectacularly good...

i'm curious as to whether the Lavry and PC etc will resolve Romy's issues with DSP or at least, achieving a transparent delay for bass horns. But that's another thread...

Chris,

I’m very surprised that London has such a challenged FM live. I was under impression, perhaps faulty impression that in Europe it should quite a few first class classical FM radio stations. Not to mention that the entire size of Europe probably might be coved by one transmitter… :-) . I do not know how you guy be we are very lucky in here as beside the local FM classic stations we have a number of syndicated broadcast across the country. I’m pretty sure that the largest metropolitan cities in US have the same luxury as we have here in Boston. BTW, I have to tell you that with this 1X tuner the quality even the AM broadcasts is very surprisingly high. I never heard such a good AM from anywhere and I never thought is might be good!!! With Am you should be definably be abler to cache the entire Old World.

Rgs,
The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Antonio J.
Madrid, Spain
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Post #: 48
Post ID: 1742
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Me too
I also thought London should have more and better classical stations than Madrid. In Spain we have only two or three sindicated broadcast nets and but for the Radio Clasica channel and RNE3, all the others are always programming crappy music and "talk shows" about politics and "actuality" which is the same crap than politcs.
This summer I was in Switzerland in Geneve, and they have about five good stations (they also catch french stations) programming good music, many direct live broadcasts from the Victoria Hall in Geneve (I attended a good performance of Brahms fourth there and a better Sibelius violin concert with Viktoria Mulova) and also opera and barroque music from the concert hall in Lausanne. They're lucky, very lucky, we can't reach those stations from here.

I agree with the AM performance, it sounds as good as FM in other tuners. Very surprising to me, but they don't play any music, they just play politics talk, socialists against conservatives, these against nationalists, these against socialist government.... sometimes I feel living in a world I can't understand.

Regards.
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cv
Derby, United Kingdom
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Post #: 49
Post ID: 1743
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Re: Me too

Allo fellas,

Yes, it is strange. There are a number of decent venues for large scale classical, the Barbican, Royal Festival Hall, opera at the Coliseum etc, but as far as I can tell, on FM, it's Radio 3 and Classic FM, the latter playing cheesy snippets of, well, cheesy music when I've heard it.

Must confess, I've never really bothered to see what's on AM. I will investigate further with a cheap radio and discount any sound quality issues assuming that the mighty sansui will resolve them...

 

cheers

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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 50
Post ID: 1744
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The AM correction

 cv wrote:
Must confess, I've never really bothered to see what's on AM. I will investigate further with a cheap radio and discount any sound quality issues assuming that the mighty sansui will resolve them...
Chris, I would like to correct it if I was misunderstood. The “mighty sansui” dose an amassing quality of AM but it is “amusing” only for the AM radios station. Still the quality of FM is much better. When I was very exited about the AM I meant that I never anticipated that Am might have any quality at all. The “mighty sansui” did AM unspeakably good but it still it was not at the same level as FM. Also, yes, I do not think we have in US any interesting FM classical music broadcasts…

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Antonio J.
Madrid, Spain
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Post #: 51
Post ID: 1745
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More AM clarification
When I said that AM sounded in the Sansui as good as FM in other tuners, I meant just that, not that AM was as good as FM. FM in the Sansui is in a league of its own, but its AM is so good too that sounds better than most FM tuners or portable radios I have listened to before.
Most AM radios sound like the telephone, not with this tuner. It's a pity we cannot take profit of that.

Rgds

A
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 52
Post ID: 1747
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FM to PC: the first draft.

It look like the FM recoding on PC is shaping up and I was able to make some test recordings with quite positive result. (Sansui 1X – Larvy AD122 - Linx16 – WaveLab Light – HD - Linx16 - Bidat). Unfortunately there are many setting on the card and in the recording software that I have no idea how to use or even understand what they mean. Also, I am so impressed with Larvy AD122 that I went for DA924, I got as a test to see if it might be useable. Who knows if I will run the AD, DA and the PC form the same master clock and go for the full 24/96 then I might have some advantages. So far the biggest surprise that I got was that Bidat accrual can lock and read a 24/96 stream. Obviously it kick off the bytes over 20Bit but it actually lock on the feed!!! Anyhow, I still can’t figure our how record anything higher then 16/44 with this damn WaveLab…

Anyhow, tonight Michael Tilson Thomas will lead San Francisco with world premiere of his own “Urban Legend”, the Bartók’s Music for Strings and Rishard Strauss’ “Ein Heldenleben”. I will try to record this dealyed broadcast if it will be a good play (though electricity is quite bad today in Boston) and dump a little uncompressed file (for the members of the site) to sample it. Will see what I end up with…

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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I put a couple small files form today broadcast. Generally I screed it up and I have learned later on that some of the sound cards setting might be better, the recording level at the AD was 8dB less then it should be and as it turned out that I have “light” version of the Wave software that enforced some very idiotic settings that should not be used (for instance the automated regulation of recording level and redaction of play to 16 bit) When the broadcast stared I did not all of it… However, to my surprise the total result turn out to be quite listenable.

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/Members/fm.aspx

Rgs, Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Ronnie
Stockholm
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Post #: 54
Post ID: 1749
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Re: It does work!!!

Hello Romy,

The music links don't work for me. They're pointing at http://localhost/...?

I'd love to hear some music.
Been up all night stirring up the second upper bass horn. Halfway done. =)


/Ronnie

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Romy the Cat


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It does work!!! No Kidding?

 Ronnie wrote:
The music links don't work for me. They're pointing at http://localhost/...? I'd love to hear some music.

Yep, shame on me! My 10-second deployment strategy did not work, did it? :-) Anyhow it should be fine now. Do not play it off my server but download the files. They are non-compressed wav files and if you do not have good PC based system then good headphones will do justice. Interestingly that even with very mediocre playback and $3 worth plastic disposable headphones I find that those recordings of FM quite indicative why I am so enthusiastic about the FM. No mater that the recoding was accidentally made at very low level (I am still learning) and the delayed broadcast was quite compressed originally but some beauty of FM still going through those files, namely an amazing connectively, unity and peacefulness of whole music. Wait until I find better recording software and figure out all those settings…

 Ronnie wrote:
Been up all night stirring up the second upper bass horn. Halfway done. =)

I know THAT feeling...  Now you can "get" what a reproduced “Steinway’s crash” migh be. :-) When you will be gone post some pictures in an appropriate thread.

Rgs,
Romy the caT


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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mats
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Beautiful Urban Legend
I have no idea what my computer uses but on the Shure E3c headphones that bass clarinet (?) sure is magical.  Thanks for lighting the fires of inspiration again,
Mats
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guy sergeant
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Post #: 57
Post ID: 1757
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Re: FM Bandit
Both of these short excerpts sound very natural from what I can hear on my PC's speakers. I'll have to burn them onto a cd and see if I can coax the sniffy Teac into playing it!

What's the position with regard to this (or any other) material that you capture from the ether in this way? Are there copyright/reproduction issues?  I'd be interested in getting a full CD at this quality.  The Leak Troughline tuner I have performs a similar trick with Radio 3 over here but I hadn't considered trying to save any of the better stuff with such high quality hardware. Maybe I should investigate a more affordable means of doing it.

Best regards,

Guy
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cv
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Post #: 58
Post ID: 1759
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Leak Troughline
Allo Guy,
Sounds like this one's an absolute steal - have you had the chance to compare it to other tuners?
Best,
cv
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Romy the Cat


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Who cares about the copyright...

 guy sergeant wrote:
What's the position with regard to this (or any other) material that you capture from the ether in this way? Are there copyright/reproduction issues?  I'd be interested in getting a full CD at this quality.  The Leak Troughline tuner I have performs a similar trick with Radio 3 over here but I hadn't considered trying to save any of the better stuff with such high quality hardware. Maybe I should investigate a more affordable means of doing it.
... FM is a public domain...

Actually, from what I learned so far is that with very good tuner, with very good AD and with appropriate use of those digital gismos (something that I do not know how to do yet) it is possible to get unspeakably good quality out of FM. The sound quality that I got this time I feel is very compromised compare to what I think (hope) I will be able to get soon.  I might bring a copy for you at CES…. if you’ll bring there a deserving pair of loudspeakers… :-)

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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guy sergeant
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Post #: 60
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Re: Troughline Tuner
Of course I haven't compared it with the Sansui, which appears to be a very serious machine but the Leak sounds more natural to me than the other highly regarded tuners available over here (in the UK) such as the various Naim models, the Audiolab (as was) and the Magnums I've heard. You can find them very easily. The Troughline 3 seems to be the one to get. Earlier ones were Mono, but wired into 2 plugs the 'mono'ness is not an issue such is the quality of what comes out. The bass performance from FM has to be heard to be believed. The first Stereo ones had a solid state decoder which works pretty well and more recently Tim deParavicini did a valve decoder for it which is also supposed to be very good.

With a live broadcast the quality is exceptional, as Romy finds, far above what can be achieved by any Turntable or CD I've experienced.

Classic FM does occasionally veer away from safe populist pap and also broadcasts some good live concerts now and again. You wouldn't have to just set it for Radio 3!
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