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Markus
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Child-ish considerations
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When we had our son, I sold off all tube stuff because I did not want any high-voltage equipment where he could prod with a knitting needle and kill himself. It was a needless precaution. He responded well to my grave remarks about not damaging anything and not touching anything, not even the record player even though the rotating platter is immensely alluring to a child. The one exception was when he tried to crawl into the basshorn of the VOTTs I had at the time, but we caught that quick enough.

Better to be safe than sorry and all that.
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Romy the Cat


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Finding peace....
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Well, after many considerations I am inclined to decide to go to “lessen footprint” direction. My “equipment corner” is making itself not too practical with all of those child toys and baby equipments that grow around my listening room like mushrooms after rain, not the last factor that Amy likes the breeding process and we might not stop on one baby. It has nothing to do with WAF, in fact wify does not know about it yet.   
 
The uniqueness of my “equipment bay” does allow me to position there a rack of 90” tall where I could load all my components. The problem is a place for TT.  It is something that I am strategizing now: trying to factor in 90” tall vertically positioned stack a TT such a large as Micro 8000 with Vibroplane… 
 
I do feel very sad about my current equipment rack. Years back when I approached Rick Cox and told him that I liked his rack but I would need something different he listen me careful and then said that he was waiting a customer like me for years and he always wanted to do something like this. The rack he made is brilliant, I truly proud of it even though I did not do it, but I think for now it will go to basement for a couple years. I even was thinking to put the TT on hold for couple years but I do not have peace with this idea.
 


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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"Fencing"?
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Have you considered "fencing" your equipment bay?
Such a baby-proof fence might actually be made to look nice (more so in a large room such as yours) and you wouldn't have to reposition all your equipment and cables...again.

Ric


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Romy the Cat


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I need to build something custom
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 tuga wrote:
Have you considered "fencing" your equipment bay?
Such a baby-proof fence might actually be made to look nice (more so in a large room such as yours) and you wouldn't have to reposition all your equipment and cables...again.

 Actually it is not about the "fencing": protecting the equipment or protecting baby. It is about a completely different objective. We are in process of building in basement a very nice dedicated play room but I do not like the subject of “dedicated play room”. It turn out that we like to spend time with our baby and we like to spend time in your listening room. So, it is naturally that we would like to have baby crawling and playing in the listening room. The problem that I do not want his toys, baby devises and all the rest that come with little people to clod the room. To have in the listening room a dedicated and well isolated location would be the best and my equipment bay is truly great location for it. It is octagon mini-rom of 9 feet diameter with 5 windows, fully heated. We got Infant 8-Panel PlaySafe Playard that would be perfect in equipment bay and would leave room for all those chars, swing, walkers and zillion other devises. That is kind of sad but this little man has more specialty chairs then I have protractors to align TT’s cartridges!

Thankfully, if I move all equipment to the very handy indentations in the wall that connect the equipment bay with the rest of the room then I think I will be able to pile up everything in there. We were visiting this weekend one local orchestra conductor who has a huge amount of audio and he had everything organized in two 72” tall equipment racks. It was impressive how little room it took. For sure he had very simple equipment: SS-only and digital only but the direction was I think lucrative. 
 
For me the key would be how to manage to stick TT into my 90” tall equipment rack.  I am keep strategizing and my leading idea is to have 38” stand at the floor with TT atop and then another 36” of rack to mount to the wall, that would leave 14” gap for TT need. I did not decided and I have some concerns. My CD transport is top loaded as well, so the access need to be accommodated to it as well… I need to build something custom….


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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That is the idea that I am think for now.
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Where the find a good vender who could do hollow, sand-fillable frame, and how to make the shelf easily adjustable… without paying thousands of dollars is the question…

BabyEqupmentRack.jpg



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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Stressed Skin
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You MIGHT be able to lose - or at least limit - the diagonal braces with thick-walled tubing, "trusses", and/or "stressed skin" construction. A good welder/fabricator should be able to tell you more, and you are certain to have people who can do this living in or near a prosperous, populous city like Boston.


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scooter
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NYC elevators
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I might approach the problem a bit differently. Think "space efficiency" and "space effectiveness."

In my travels, I have seen that a lot of Europeans and Asians live in very small spaces. Of course, the Japanese have their futon beds, which they can roll up and store in the closet. And the Europeans have "junior" sized furniture and appliances. Even in the US, many do not have the "luxury" of basement space. Space efficiency is required here.

But even living in larger places, I always spent 90%+ of my awake time in just a small area. Area that is just more comfortable and livable, we can call "good space." A large house also has a lot of "wasted space," the rooms and m2 that you don't use. Those extra bathrooms, extra bedrooms, extra basement space. That stupid entrance hall that impresses nobody...

Now I concentrate 90% of my efforts and investment on the "good space." And I just de-invest the "wasted space," minimal furniture, turn off the HVAC, minimal maintenance... This is space effectiveness.

So...as the listening room is the center of your family life, I think a paradigm change is warranted. You could allocate a given room's value to the amount of waking time you spend there. That means your "wasted space" basically worthless, and your small "good space" is a lot more expensive per m2 than you initially thought. Real estate brokers of course will vomit on this concept. However, as all the value of your house is in "good space" significant investment in making it more livable is warranted. And stop going to pottery barn to decorate that 4th bedroom nobody will ever use.

This could include more "radical" ideas than you are considering.

For example, the basement is wasted space, so my favorite idea is to install a few of those NYC-style equipment elevators. Those are the horizontal metal doors you walk over on the sidewalks in front of every little store in the city. Imagine pushing a button, the doors open and the the horns rise up from below. if you want to increase support, you can run downstairs and prop a 4x4 between the basement floor and the ceiling (actually the bottom of the elevator platform). If you want to save money, ditch the electric motors and install a manual crank system. If the basement is not tall enough, get someone to deepen it.

Another alternative you have mentioned is moving most of the electronics downstairs and monitor them via camera, thermal sensors etc.

Another alternative is just expand outwards for audio and baby toys.

I'm sure there are better ideas, but I hope this gets the ball rolling on some creative solutions to everyone's favorite listening room!
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noviygera


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Kids toys and quantities.
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I think it's very important to set some rules that will eliminate many of the above problems.  Toys and other kids related items and furniture that clutters up your valuable shared space:
1. At any given moment there should be no more than three toys around your kid. Yes, 3. Think about that.
all the other 112 toys/games should be in storage bin in the closet or storage room or under bed.
2. Do not make your living room into kids' toys/furniture storage room, use an adjacent space, use clear "container store" bins and put hooks on walls for kids chairs because only one/two chairs should be used at any given moment.
3. Do not rush into changing your current equipment setup, do the above two steps first.

I have done this and it works.
Gera
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Romy the Cat


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Everything is completely reversible
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Thanks, guys. They were quite valuable recommendations. I wonder how would I feel if Thomas what he begin to talk would inform me that I shall not have more than 3 tonearms on my turntable or more than 3 pressing of my favorite records…

The reality is that I am doing it completely voluntary and I am very enthusiastic to try this new vertical configuration. My current rack is super comfortable but it is so demanding room footprint wise. Also I do have a LOT of room around my right channel that is not being used. Literally, it is a short equipment rack with a few oscilloscopes, narrow frequency voltmeter, some projects aps and some other odd things. It should not be in the room to begin with and now I have found a way in that vacant location to put a different equipment stand what I “might” load most of my components. There is a lot of room around it and I might put PurePower unit and DAW outside of equipment rack and they still will be not in my way. I was planning last night and made sort of prototype and it looked very promising. 
 
I for certainly need to make a custom top plate for the rack. This will be 37 by 20 to accommodate TT and CD transport. The rest will be 6 shelves. I am thinking what kind frame to use. I can weld my own but I would need to have adjustable shelves – that would be very hard to make custom. There is an option to use something like Salamander Designs Archetype Type design. They are 5/8 metal rods with shelve between them. The good part is that I have in attic perhaps 15 of those shelve and plenty of metal rods. The bed parts is that this type assembly is kind of flimsy. Well, I wonder if do use the Salamander construction principle and load this thing with at least 700 pounds atop then would it give to the whole assembly some stability… I am really egger to experiment with it…



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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JJ Triode
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Racks and things
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I'm not sure if the Salamander-style rack (wooden shelves supported by nuts and washers on threaded rods) will support 800 pounds, but if you put heavier items near the bottom then a wide heavy-duty version might be fine.  Besides Salamander, some other audio companies including Michael Green and Mapleshade use this approach.  The Mapleshade racks are particularly strong (2" maple shelves and 1" rods.)  Of course it may be cheaper to source all the elements from a non-audio hardware company and DIY.  It is true that these racks are not perfectly rigid but this may even be an advantage for decoupling from floor vibrations.  I know you are more a fan of mechanical grounding than damping or decoupling, but you may be able to find a way to turn the non-rigidity to some advantage, kind of like your "resonating OOPS."

I think banishing at least the test equipment and Pure Power to the basement would be a good way to go.  Later, when David is older and more mobile, you might also encourage him to transfer his "downstairs base of operations" to the Opera Room.  We always did this with our son:  audio is in the "fine" living room, video/toys/playstation in the family room on the other side.  He also has his own room upstairs of course.

Rgds
JJ
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Romy the Cat


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Now it looks even more promising!
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 JJ Triode wrote:
I'm not sure if the Salamander-style rack (wooden shelves supported by nuts and washers on threaded rods) will support 800 pounds, but if you put heavier items near the bottom then a wide heavy-duty version might be fine.

Hm, I was thinking that the topmost shelf of custom size I will make with two glued ¾ sheets of plywood. Holding on 3” washers upon 4x5/8 metal rod will be fine. Do not forget that it will be vertically positioned metal rods. I think if I be able to mount the rods flat at the bottom then it will be stable. I think I would need to make custom metal feet with 5/8 female thread and very accurately equalize ten by heights… The idea to place the Pure Power and the rest supporting thing in basement is kind of brilliant. I have no idea why I did not think about it before.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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ghpicard
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Quantity of rods
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I would suggest using 3 x 1" metal rods instead of 4. It is *way* easier to adjust to get the shelves horizontal, and as a plus you get an "artsy" look.
I am using flat bottom steel rods supported on small granite slabs with bronze coins and a thin layer of PVC glue to isolate from the wood "parquet" floor and not to destroy it. The coins go on top and in contact with the rods, then the coins are glued to the granite pieces and then comes the floor.

I have already made 2 racks (one for the audio equipment and another one for the LED TV, Playstation and other stuff) inspired in the TNT FlexyTables (http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/flexye.html) and they don't fail to deliver.


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decoud
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Avoiding diagonals
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Diagonals are hard to make attractive in any design: you can avoid them by using plates where a diagonal buttress is required. Have a look at the way Dieter Rams did it in his bookshelf geometry, now marketed by vitsoe (https://www.vitsoe.com/gb/606).
Might also be an idea to use carbon fibre tube rather than metal. Better damping characteristics, and intrinsically black. 


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Romy the Cat


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Audio Housecleaning 2.0
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Over the course of last 3 weekends I went over heavy domesticated labor. Trying condense the household audio presents in order to get more space. It turn out that babies not only consume space but they produce enormous amount of residual item and now the house is suffocated with bassinets, chairs, clothes that Thomas is grew up. Yep, the baby is juts 5 month but he have already grew up from the clothes that in space equivalent of ¼ side 30Hz horn. Yes, my wify has an appetite to this sort of things and she feels that if baby ware a set pans or jackets twice then “they will not take him to Harvard”. I think Thomas now has more shew then I do and he is juts 5 month!!! 
 
Anyhow, I revised my audio “possessions” and decided to do some cleaning. Ironically I did not trash a lot of thing but rather condensed the storage and I….discovered a two rooms in my house. One room that I will be building and remodeling during the next month will be quest bedroom/play room and another room will be a full-size table tennis room – a subject of my wet dream for years. 
 
The most interesting in my condensing ceremony was to view all of those boxed and to examine the evidenced of my audio projects that I undertook in my past. It was a very interesting trip in my memory lanes: all those 7788 phonostages, the headphone amps, the preamps, the power amps, the signal processors, a number of testers and many other things. Did I mention the drivers? I do think that I might get rid of many of my “possessions” and I do not see myself to use them. Not that I have no interest in using them but rather I would like to have my “usage” to be more practical. For instance I have a number of 1930s Telefunken electromagnet drivers. They do sound good in very narrow range of criteria but I truly do not feel that I will even be satisfy to build anything more practical with them.  I see a huge number of different “devises” that I own that are very good from a single performance or sentimental values but that do not really feet on my holistic and practical audio views. So, I think that time of barn fire will not be coming but I will be slowly getting rid of some of my “accumulated audio possessions”. I do not feel bad about it quite opposite: I feel that I could now to achieve higher quality of balance between “things”, “feelings” and “expirence”.
 


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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noviygera


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That's not fair!
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
Thanks, guys. They were quite valuable recommendations. I wonder how would I feel if Thomas what he begin to talk would inform me that I shall not have more than 3 tonearms on my turntable or more than 3 pressing of my favorite records…


Think of it as not playing more that three records at the same time. That would be like playing with three toys. But keep the baby scape uncluttered and he will grow up more organized.
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Romy the Cat


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Speakers do not like boxes…
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…not only because Sound but also because “no boxes” is good for storage. I mean it. One of the greatest space compression idea that I experienced this weekend was that if I trash the driver boxes and pile them in chessboard order then I can get …extra room in my house, and not just a room but a room where I can play a full-fledged table tennis. Well, I hope that my next revelation will be not the one that advise me to find even more space by disposing the record’s covers and sleeves.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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steverino
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Discrimination?
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
Speakers don't like boxes…not only because Sound but also because “no boxes” is good for storage. I mean it. One of the greatest space compression idea that I experienced this weekend was that if I trash the driver boxes and pile them in chessboard order then I can get …extra room in my house, and not just a room but a room where I can play a full-fledged table tennis. Well, I hope that my next revelation will be not the one that advise me to find even more space by disposing the record’s covers and sleeves.


So what you are saying is that one box doesn't like another different box? And one kind of "storage" is good and one is bad?
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Romy the Cat


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Vertical configuration
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Goods, I did not realize that it would be SO complicated to convert my equipment in vertical configuration. My entire house looks like after WW2 for two weeks and even my cleaning lady asked me if I am OK. I will post later what I end up with, I think in week or so I will be able to connect the things. I generally like the direction I went, it is like driving a van – ridicules but super comfortable and convenient.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Impresive !
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Hi,this is my first post here. This is a very interesting site indeed, congratulations.I found this photo and I'm really impressed with this stand design: is exactly what I'm looking for: 
stand.JPG

would you please give me more information about it?, is custom made?thanks in advance
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Romy the Cat


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Did you read the site?
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 jorsan wrote:
Hi,this is my first post here. This is a very interesting site indeed, congratulations.I found this photo and I'm really impressed with this stand design: is exactly what I'm looking for. would you please give me more information about it?, is custom made?thanks in advance

Lorsan, if you read thread then a few post up there is post of mine "Finding peace...." from which you can conclude who made the rack. Rick still in business, in fact I spoke with him a month ago or so.

Rgs, Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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