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Romy the Cat


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Boston and Bruckner
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It is kind of suck for Bruckner lovers in America.  The American audience do not listen Bruckner too much so the orchestras understandably do not book Bruckner ‘s  symphonies.  If some visiting conductors do Bruckner then the US orchestras do not do good job to play Bruckner. Here in Boston we kind of luck to have Zander who live to book Bruckner. Still his orchestra has not necessarily has right gravitas for Bruckner music, even though they do have some partial successes a few years back with 5th symphony. We also do not have in Boston proper concert hall to accommodate Bruckner sound. The celebrated Symphony Hall is more or less OK for Stravinsky of Bartok consorts but it is too fast for Bruckner music.

Anyhow, it looks like this season we get a bit lucky here in Boston.

On January 16 2014 Christoph Eschenbach takes Boston symphony on Bruckner 9. BSO in current state is notoriously bad with Bruckner. Bruckner is about meditative complicated sonorities and unique harmonic transitions. BSO today is nowhere near to be able to handle it. It is kind of ridicules as BSO individuals musicals are very much top notch but the orchestra as a whole sounds like crap. Playing Bruckner 50% of time BSO brass off the tune or losing that feel of Bruckner evolution when sound get transitioned between the sections. It was when they play the B7 a few years under Hans Graf and it was in particularly horrible at the beginning of this year during B4 under Christoph von Dohnányi. Let hope that German Mr. Eschenbach will be able to do something with BSO. He spent unfortunately most of his career with American orchestras but still…. let hope. The takers are available now.

On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 Zubin Mehta brings in Boston Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra and they play no less than B8. The Israeli Philharmonic is kind of wrong orchestra to play Bruckner, listening their other recording it is very clear that they hardly understand what they play. Still, in context of Bruckner Zubin Mehta is very interesting character. Sometime he is known to shoe off very stimulating Bruckner with probably Mecca of his Bruckner accomplishment was B9 with Vienna. At that time Mr. Zubin was just 29 years old and it was fantastic. They say that only very mature concoctors have proper patience and understanding to play Bruckner properly. Zubin Mehta today 77, so let see how it goes. For sure I wish it be not Israeli but Austa-German orchestra but it is what it is. The tickets udder the Celebrity Series umbrella will be available soon.

On Friday February 28 2014 Benjamin Zander unlashes Boston Philharmonic on Bruckner 7 and it will be not in shitty Hardware Hall of NE Conservatory Whole but in Symphony Hall, which it not great but still better. That might be very interesting. I kind of feel especial pride as I was bugging Zander that he has to book B7 in Boston. Here it came!!! Of cause I feel that I did it – let me to leave with my fantasies. This consent will be kind of strange as Amy will not coming and sitting with me. So, we will not able able to purr together and look at each other after orchestra did something distinctive good or bad. I absolutely adore sitting on concerns with her - she is such a pleasurable listener companion! Well, she will be not with me as she will be playing. For sure I will be happy and proud for her but frankly I will be missing her touch, her smell and her physical presence. BTW, this consent will come with Robert Levin playing Mozart Piano Concerto No. 25 wish might be very interesting as well. The takers will be available in September.

Anyhow, it looks like it will be good Bruckner year. The new BSO musical director Andris Nelsons in his interview did mention that he would like to explore Bruckner music with BSO. Of course it was juts before he have cancel his appearance in Tanglewood…

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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clarkjohnsen
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B7 BSO
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Just recently I listened on an OTA tape of the B7 with the BSO under Simon Rattle. It was gorgeous! Unfortunately I forgot to note the date, nor can I locate any record of the concert. I'll do my best to get a CD masterdub of it from my usual source, but that won't be soon. Also I'll pick up a B8 from c.1978, the BSO again with the American debut of Klaus Tennstedt. It was grand! (I do have a 10" reel from OTA but who knows how that sounds thirty-five years later?)

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Paul S
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Clark, the Resourceful!
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Clark, I love it that, while the rest of us talk about and accumulate gear, you have quietly and relentlessly filled your entire house with some of the greatest performances in history! Now, that's keeping one's priorities straight!  Bravo!

Best regards,
Paul S
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clarkjohnsen
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Yeah, "filled".
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Maybe 15K LPs, 30K 78s and hundreds of tapes and even CDs. Music in every room!

Romy's got a considerable collection too.

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steverino
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Bruckner in America
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Unfortunately Lenny Bernstein did nothing to advance Bruckner here and the critic Harold Schonberg kept up the verbal abuse against him for 30 years or so. Romy is correct that Bruckner requires performance familiarity. A few rehearsals won't cut it. The same goes for conductors who give it a go once each leapyear.  For some reason Eschenbach is scintillating with choral works and mediocre with orchestral works. I would pay to hear him do the Bruckner Te Deum but I would keep my expectations in bounds with him doing a Bruckner symphony but hope for the best. But from what you say even if Eschenbach were stellar the BSO could mess it up anyway. If I had to guess, the Adagio will probably come off better than the first 2 movements.
 
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clarkjohnsen
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Beg to differ, Steverino
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Here's a performance recording that's just amazingly fine with an orchestra barely familiar with the material, and performed after only the standard rehearsal time. From 1935, it's the Seventh with the NY Phils under... Toscanini.

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Romy the Cat


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This is why Bruckner is not popular in USA.
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Christoph Eschenbach led last night BSO with the Bruckner symphony and it was somewhere between “boring” and “waste of time”. I hope the Saturday performance will be better. We had tickets for Saturday but we will be out of town, so we went for Thursday. Can you believe how bad was it if I feel that listening Bruckner in Boston was a waste of time?

Well, tomorrow at midnight an audio guy flies to Boston for “all-nigh Bruckner listening session”. I think I will have opportunity to recover from yesterday boring and inapt BSO play.  I think some orchestras juts shall not be playing Bruckner….

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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clarkjohnsen
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Yeah, well...
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Thanks for the tip, I may even skip it on the broadcast.

Back in '69 I heard the London Phils do the B9 under Haitink in the Royal Festival Hall. It was pretty much what Romy says about the Eschenbach.

Want a great but barely known recording? The Munich Phils under Sigmund von Hausegger from 1938. He was the first conductor to perform the B9 in its original form, in a historic 1932 concert that opened with Lowe's Wagnerized version, then after intermission Bruckner's stark own.

The original 78s (I have both HMVs and RCAs, the latter preferred) sound, of course, way better than any of the anemic transfers I've heard. Oh, well.

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Romy the Cat


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And some Bruckner over the air....
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Well, unfortunately, or fortunately, Giulini with Vienna during this live 1988 performance have closed any imaginable interpretation of Bruckner 9. At least it is the way how I feel….

In Feb 13, 8PM, Herbert Blomstedt will be leading San Francisco Symphony with Bruckner 5. It will be live over WHRB. On the same WHRB on Feb 27, 7PM Benjamin Zander will be selling his upcoming Bruckner7 with Boston Philharmonic Orchestra


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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steverino
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No surprise
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My and Romy's posts above from a few months ago indicated this would happen so there shouldn't be any surprise. Again, Eschenbach excels mainly in choral works for some reason. Many US orchestras have far more difficulty with Bruckner than with Mahler in my experience. Frequency of performance plays a role but I also think Bruckner is harder to play, except possibly the 7th Sym.  I would assume Esch is OK in Mozart and Haydn as well given his recording history. Just out of curiosity did they play the Adagio "better" than the first 2 movements?

Re: Mehta. I decided to try the Berlin Phil Live website. He is performing the 9th this Saturday 1/18 at 8 Berlin time. 

Re: Blomstedt. I heard a decent performance from him in B9 some years ago so it might be ok.

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