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Romy the Cat


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The BEST bass cable?
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Here we go, I will be telling you that I am looking or that I have found the “best” cable to use for bass channel? Sound like a stupid thing to tell you and sound like a stupid thing to read at my site. Still, I will be obnoxious enough to insist exactly in this – to talk about the “best” audio cable for bass. Remeber the difference between obnoxiousness and confidence is only in perception and… in caring about the subject.

So, what would constitute the “best” audio cable? I would not try to define this but I might propose that the best audio cable for bass is the cable that produces better bass. I do not see a lot of people argue with it. However, let to complicate the subject a bit – what would be the best audio cable for bass in context of DSET multi-amping? This is WAY more complex topic.

In audio people so much accustom to make judgment about bass characteristic in context of a full range that a cable that has higher bass amplitude is considered a better cable for bass. However, if you multi-amp then you do not care about bass amplitude at all but care about very different characteristics. It is ironic but those characteristics might be evaluated only in context of full-range but now in you multi-amping you have a chance to impact with your cable the multiple definitions of “best bass” but without affecting the rest of your range.

So, what I learned during my looking for the best bass cable. I have discovered very interesting phenomena: the best bass cables in context of full range are the worst bas cable in context of multi-amping, I do not claim that I tried all high-end cables with my bass. I own however a number of them and some of them are very reputed in full-range bass and expensive. I would like to report that none of them hold ground as dedicated bass cables. In short the best bass cables for full-range are too bass-noisy for dedicated bass amplification. The best audio cables for bass are the cables that are very lean and very bass-shy in full range. Invigorating!

In fact  the best cable among all cables that I own that I use for bass and that produce the absolutely best  bass for my ULF is a chip plastic  molded cable that probably cost $5. Not of the expensive high end cables can even remotely approach the lower notes articulation that my cheap molded cable has. In fact I have a few cheap molded cables, staring from one that come with my Nakamichi CR7 deck 15 years back and ending with cables that come with my TV dish. To me they are all very much the same and they do way more sophisticated ULF then Hi-Fi cables with price a few thousands dollars per a meter.

Do not get me wrong. I am not against expensive cable and I justifiable use plenty of them in my playback. However, it looks like for ULF and even for dedicated lowest octave the High-End cables migh have a lot of room to grow…

The Cat


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twogoodears


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Invigorating and positive...
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... as I also found something VERY similar, Roman... the truth is in the sentence "... bass-shy in full range..." as a full-range cable is equalized for 20-20khz and - you'll agree on this - the ULF frequencies of your system aren't so common, around... thus, a playground for theories and, most of all, MUCH interesting findings, like yours... and my own.  

 Romy the Cat wrote:

I would like to report that none of them hold ground as dedicated bass cables. In short the best bass cables for full-range are too bass-noisy for dedicated bass amplification. The best audio cables for bass are the cables that are very lean and very bass-shy in full range. Invigorating!

In fact  the best cable among all cables that I own that I use for bass and that produce the absolutely best  bass for my ULF is a chip plastic  molded cable that probably cost $5. Not of the expensive high end cables can even remotely approach the lower notes articulation that my cheap molded cable has.



Industry hi-end standard is, too often, "machist" - i.e. low end? Go for the bulkiest, fattest cable... as you pointed out, it's not the case and simply untrue; to my knowledge, only Supra from Sweden covered, in their white-papers, the topic, against false myths, with humbless and a no-frills approach.
  
Thanks for giving a voice to the elusiveness.




"Use your ears as your eyes" - Gertrude Stein

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Paul S
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Probably not very many people in your own exact situation, but the last time I had "dedicated" LF I tried a lot of then-available cables and wound up with... 12 Gauge Romex, with cheap, tinned-copper spade lugs soldered on the ends. Stiff and a PITA to route and/or move around, but seemed to work with PP and 515s.  I don't know about possible capacitance and SET; smaller gauge might be better.  Yes, I know this stuff is very, very bad FR. Another problem is, this stuff is really cheap and easily available.

As an "intellectual" aside, perhaps OT, I am OCD/bothered these days with the thought that copper is prone to oxidation, and that copper oxide is not a good conductor.  Perhaps to the rescue, a guy named Moray James (who makes cables mostly for professional applications) pre-considers and deals with oxidation as part of his "reasonable" designs for various applications.  Also, I think he is another one who gives $ back if the buyer is not satisfied with his cables.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Stitch


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The Current One
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The BEST?
Who knows, I use for my Subwoofer the Sub-3 from Audioquest.
Works ;.)
http://tempuri.org/tempuri.html



Kind Regards
Stitch
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Romy the Cat


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Dialectic biased cable.
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 Stitch wrote:
The BEST?
Who knows, I use for my Subwoofer the Sub-3 from Audioquest.
Works ;.)
http://www.audioquest.com/pdfs/subwoofer_cables/sub_3.pdf

Thanks, Stitch.

I do like this idea a lot, in fact it reminds me very much what I was doing with Cable Current Loading.

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?postID=7396

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?postID=6552

I did like the result I had a lot but I have no provision to do it with ULF. The Audioquest biases a separate dialectic by separate wire. I had the signal flow in the same wire as the biased current – that was more radical.

It would be very interesting to try that cable. My only concern is that Audioquest apparently does biased cables only for subwoofers. I do not like it as I afraid that they will be bass EQed. I would like to have lean bass cable, using multichannel with multi-amping the necessary size of bass, I will be able to get by other natural means. I still will try this dialectic biased cable.

The Cat


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