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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Corner Speakers for a new music room
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We are full time preparing to move to the new place. In a new house we have 14x24  room that we call Music Room. It is the place what will be our grand piano, Amy's s Violas, her music, music stands, lake view fireplace and the rest ordenary suspects. Amy insisted that she will be dedicating the room. Another days she come to me and said that it will be my responsibility to make sure that we will have good speakers and good sound in the Music Room. I reacted as if she proposed a fox to apply for a job of a chicken guard. Well, the wish of the lovely wife is the rule  and I begin to think what can I do. 
 
I concluded that among many speaker option that I do have none of them will work out in the Music Room and according to the room layout it would be very nice to put in there not large corner horns. So, I wondering if I need to undertake a task to construct some kind of corner-loaded loudspeaker with 1-3 Tannoy 10" Red drivers, perhaps to fortify it with some kind of build in direct bass radiator. It is not something that I will take on now, I have too much on my plate nowadays but it is something that would prospectively design and commission to a right person to build 
 
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"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Altecs?
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Good for you, sounds like a fun, no-risk adventure.

So, what's wrong with the Altecs for this? I never had my VOTTs in a room like this, but I've heard them "corner loaded" in rooms this size and they did OK with (then) "big amps", at least by my standards at the time.


Best regards,
Paul S
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Let see how it goes....
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I have my Cetla 91 that I might use but they are too big and too demanding. The idea is to have a corner speaker with small footprint  and use the enclosure highs do develop bass. In the room like this bass will be dissipating very dramatically, so I am not sure that it would be even possible. I for sure will not be build them myself as I might have more kid-projects but I would not mind to design them and let somebody else to cut the wood. I would need to fine a fine carpenter as I would need to do a lot of building: shelving, some custom cabinets, extension for LF for listening room and etc...Hopefully they exist in the town I move in. The town is kind of freaky no gas station, no restaurants, no commercial properties of any kind. So, I hope I find some retired guy with tools basemen and good building skills.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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LogicAudio
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Khorn
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I think Klipschorn will fit the bill there. just my 0.02$ :-)



"Nothing is better than a horn loudspeaker, well... unless two horn loudspeakers!"
Regards,
Arash
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kodomo
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Modified klipschorn
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I dont think a standart klipschorn would satisfy the cat. I had one, then I heavily modified it and in the end I built my full scale horn system. I still keep that modded khorn system as a second system.

If I may suggest, if you use klipschorn, you can build a better midrange horn, like a tractrix horn with a cf of 200hz.  A better midrange driver that can be crossed around 300-350hz. 

Unless you go active and have delay for the midrange and the tweeter, the basshorn will not be time aligned. So it is better to have midrange work down to 300hz than the standart 500hz (as far as my ears could tell). On the plus side, the khorn bass, if khorn are properly set up is a really nice bass experience. If you choose to go active, and delay the rest of the system to the bass, I still suggest taking the midrange approach (changing the horn and the driver, lowering the freq)

A time aligned tweeter on top, you can use your ribbons but they should be crossed much lower than you were used to. (I had the fostex t500amk2 work down to 6400hz). You will also need a better (more suited) crossover for this operation. The volti audio khorn crossover is good and is adjustable.

I would also suggest, changing where you put the speakers. Khorns will sound better if you put the other one where the piano is situated. They really love the long wall approach.
 
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LogicAudio
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Stock Khorn
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 kodomo wrote:
I dont think a standart klipschorn would satisfy the cat. I had one, then I heavily modified it and in the end I built my full scale horn system. I still keep that modded khorn system as a second system.

If I may suggest, if you use klipschorn, you can build a better midrange horn, like a tractrix horn with a cf of 200hz.  A better midrange driver that can be crossed around 300-350hz. 

Unless you go active and have delay for the midrange and the tweeter, the basshorn will not be time aligned. So it is better to have midrange work down to 300hz than the standart 500hz (as far as my ears could tell). On the plus side, the khorn bass, if khorn are properly set up is a really nice bass experience. If you choose to go active, and delay the rest of the system to the bass, I still suggest taking the midrange approach (changing the horn and the driver, lowering the freq)

A time aligned tweeter on top, you can use your ribbons but they should be crossed much lower than you were used to. (I had the fostex t500amk2 work down to 6400hz). You will also need a better (more suited) crossover for this operation. The volti audio khorn crossover is good and is adjustable.

I would also suggest, changing where you put the speakers. Khorns will sound better if you put the other one where the piano is situated. They really love the long wall approach.
 


for sure the stock Khorn are not that interesting. the midrange horn is freaking honky. a tractrix horn for midrange is much better that the stock K400 horn as you mentioned.



"Nothing is better than a horn loudspeaker, well... unless two horn loudspeakers!"
Regards,
Arash
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rowuk


Germany
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Corner horn?
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How do you even time align a Klipschhorn to any other driver? This is one of Romys axioms and I see no solution with folded horns. I am surprised that it was even mentioned!


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