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Romy the Cat


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I think I am done
Okay, I pretty much finished my experiments with reverberation injections and I do not mind to publicize what I have in my head. I do not want to spend a couple hours on writing and I will record a video. Are any specific topics I would like me to cover?



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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anthony
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Be thorough...
...you usually are quite thorough in your assessments.

I use Macondo also for watching concerts and would also really appreciate any insight you may have into making surround sound successful even though this is not what you are doing here.  The Trinnov interests me even with its hefty outlay and perhaps it is useful for both surround and reverberation duties in your situation.  Would love to know if you are considering getting together with Bill for a weekend to perhaps use what you both know to see if the french processor brings anything to your table, but success likely depends on your relationship with Bill and whether you are able to give each other enough rope to get done what needs to get done.
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Romy the Cat


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Here we go....



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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Again, Congratulations!
3 weeks, eh? Vs. how many years for functional DSET? Next, a great 5 cent cigar!

Same questions about decoupling a phono stage from the split, re-setting the output impedance, and doubling the output. Where and exactly how does one split and boost the source signal so there is "no difference" in the front/stereo channels, split vs. un-spit? And this supposes any differences in "the original stereo front channels and the split-off rear channels "doesn't matter".

Best regards,
Paul S
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Romy the Cat


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... and finally...
OK, I need to finish my new infatuation to talk to camera. I have recorded a new video where I am closing this “reverberation” chapter of my life with an interesting trick the I juts discovered and will talk a little about music.




"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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Saving the Best for Last!
Thank you for this video! I will happily figure out the connections for myself now, and I really look forward to finishing my current project so I can get to this "reverb" injection. Regarding the Squirrel Singularity, I hope you mean what I think you mean, because this would mitigate the single biggest problem that's "plagued" my hi-fi since I got my system to where I could use it to mine the Great Music, something related to the "HF decay", but not that; so hard to find the words. Of course there are times when the Sound is good enough to "escape itself'. But when it doesn't, it's too often the "singularity problem" that I would rather not be bothered by.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Bill
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Give us the numbers
Now that you've wetted our appetites, how about writing the information on the great r3cordings so we can dig for them.cProbably not available but at least we can look.
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Romy the Cat


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…and the one after the last one…



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Bill
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Unreadable
Sorry, but again cannot make out how one can obtain the discs with the information given. Cannot make out from your description and from being unable to read the disc label from how you are holding it. Better to photograph the disc cover and/or the disc, and put that information below either as picture or downloadable file. Other option would be to give the name of the disc, recording company and disc number. Was able to find the Schubert 9th on eBay but unsure whether it is the same pressing .Bill
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Romy the Cat


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I am pleased now.
It is so fanny how my parley into reverb domain changed my entire “architecture” of my listening room. As I told I use default DUNLAVY SC-III for my reverb channels. The Dunlavy are exceptionally properly designed speakers and exceptionally non-music. Also, in my estimation they have too much LF extension for reverb channel. I would very much recommend using bookshelf speaker with restricted bass for reverb channels NOT full range speaker. Still, since I use my reverb channels as pilot system that runs pretty much OK with this limitation, and I am considering to “damn down” Dunlavy, I juts do not know how. You can see in the picture below how Dunlavys wonderfully injected in the back on my room.
 
The funny part in all of it is my listening position. I have one listening chair that slides 180 degrees toward the pilot speakers or main speakers, and it has 2 ottomans for my legs from both sides. I do not reconnect anything. If I would like to switch from my main speakers to Pilot system, then all the I need to do is following:
 
1)     Turn off the Milq amplifiers
2)     Switch from whatever reverb pattern I have to no-processing mode
3)     Rotate my listening chair 180 degree.
 
I am pleased now.
                                                      
 Room2021.jpg



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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steverino
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Listening room
 Romy the Cat wrote:
It is so fanny how my parley into reverb domain changed my entire “architecture” of my listening room. As I told I use default DUNLAVY SC-III for my reverb channels. The Dunlavy are exceptionally properly designed speakers and exceptionally non-music. Also, in my estimation they have too much LF extension for reverb channel. I would very much recommend using bookshelf speaker with restricted bass for reverb channels NOT full range speaker. Still, since I use my reverb channels as pilot system that runs pretty much OK with this limitation, and I am considering to “damn down” Dunlavy, I juts do not know how. You can see in the picture below how Dunlavys wonderfully injected in the back on my room.
  
                                                      

This is a very nice looking listening room both for architecture and furnishings. Certainly a big difference from your first move in. Enjoy!
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Romy the Cat


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Nice Controller



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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anthony
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Man in a suit
Well, one thing about the videos Romy is that they are more difficult to get through for me than the writing, but more informative I think, so thank-you for doing them.  There is no way I can find an hour to sit and watch each of these so it was done in little steps...hopefully not too much was missed along the way.

Nearly spat out my whisky when you talked fondly about Leonard Cohen...I am certainly with you on that one.  One of my regrets is that I could not convince my wife to accompany me to see Leonard when he last visited Australia, and now she is a fan too and wishes we had gone.  Good for the spirit, he is, yes.  Do you use the Reverb Injection for Leonard too?

None of those processors you mention can be found over here (not yet anyway) so perhaps I will have to invest in something newer.  Not sure what, but that new DSP thingamy above this post does look perhaps too simple, but that may just be the ticket.

Was a Lexicon CP1 or CP3 processor part of your trials?  It looks an interesting unit 
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xandcg


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Injection Channels.
Hello!

Just now I learned about your YouTube channel, and in regards to ' reverberation injections', I would like to ask if you have tried something like guitar reverb pedals instead of those processors (or other ambient pedals)?

Cheers!




Think for yourself, do not be sheep.
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Romy the Cat


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I was not trying Lexicon
 anthony wrote:
Was a Lexicon CP1 or CP3 processor part of your trials?  It looks an interesting unit 

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/19/arts/sound-now-concert-halls-pay-house-calls.html


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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Do not go there, too much hustles.
 xandcg wrote:
 I would like to ask if you have tried something like guitar reverb pedals instead of those processors (or other ambient pedals)?

I do not think that you need to go to rout of guitar reverb pedals, they are very badly made and very primitive in actions for our objectives. If you would like do not used what Yamaha dzd and wiling to execute you own reverberation profile then I would go for a good pro multiprocessor, like  Behringer Virtualizer 3D FX2000 and you will be able to do everything in there from scratch.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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anthony
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Haha, you got me
Nice one with the new video.  
I can recommend a good Tasmanian whisky from Lark or Sullivan's Cove.  Am partial to a rum cask finish myself during these winter months. 

 Romy the Cat wrote:
 anthony wrote:
Was a Lexicon CP1 or CP3 processor part of your trials?  It looks an interesting unit 

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/19/arts/sound-now-concert-halls-pay-house-calls.html


Could not read that Romy.  It is behind a pay wall.
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Romy the Cat


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Now Concert Halls Pay House Calls
SOUND; Now Concert Halls Pay House Calls By Hans Fantel March 19, 1989

Playing symphonic music in the living room defies the natural order of things.

You have a hundred musicians fiddling, blowing and banging away in a room just big enough for a small dinner party. Acoustically, this doesn't add up. After all, the music was conceived with a certain acoustic assumption - the aura of a space large enough to hold the orchestra and maybe a thousand listeners. The reverberant character of such a place is therefore implicit in the score. Playing the music via records or radio in a typical domestic setting creates a contradiction between sonic and architectural dimensions.

Psychoacoustics - the science dealing with the human perception of sound - has yet to define the exact nature of this contradiction, but throughout the history of the phonograph, recording engineers have obviously been aware of it.

Over the years there have been numerous attempts to deal with this set of problems. The birth of stereo in the l950's greatly enhanced the possibilities of suggesting in playback the spatial aspects of the original performance. But even at its best, stereo cannot properly replicate the sound field of an actual performance.

The difficulty is that sound reflections in the concert hall impinge on the listener from all directions. At home, by contrast, the music arrives mainly from the speakers in front.

There have been continued efforts to resolve this discrepancy, but it was not until the advent of digital technology that the problem could be approached successfully. The present state of these endeavors is impressively exemplified by Yamaha's DSP-3000 Digital Sound Field Processor and the LexiconCP-1 Audio Environment Processor (not to be confused with the professional model, intended for use in recording studios), respectively priced at $1,899 and $1,200.

Although the two differ in their particulars, they share the ability to generate the acoustic ambiance of the concert hall in whatever environment they are placed. The Lexicon, for example, offers a choice of six kinds of settings: rectangular halls and fan-shaped halls, each three different sizes - small, medium and large. It can also provide varying amounts of reverberation without reference to any specific hall shape. Finally, there are provisions for decoding the surround-sound information contained on movie soundtracks, in case theaterlike sound effects are wanted when playing videocassettes.

The Yamaha DSP-3000 offers an even greater variety of acoustical options. Moreover, the settings created by this device are not theoretical constructs but the equivalent of actual halls. Yamaha engineers have measured the acoustics in several famous concert halls both in Europe and the United States and programmed mathematical models of their specific acoustics into the digital computer chips that lie at the heart of the device.

Then they did the same thing with other types of musical evironments such as nightclubs, discotheques, opera houses, chamber music auditoriums and even a vast sports arena. A total of 20 different sound fields sampled in various locations are stored within Yamaha's remarkably trim and compact device.

When these ambient simulators are connected to the amplifier at the listener's home, they will make whatever music is played sound as if it were heard in the simulated hall - even if it was recorded somewhere else. What's more, each setting can be modified so that the listener may, so to speak, choose his seat in the simulated place.

The hitch is that several auxiliary speakers are needed to project the simulated ambiance into the living room, and each of these speakers requires its own channel of amplification. Hooking up these extra speakers complicates the installation and easily adds another $1,000 or more to its cost. Obviously, such an elaborate setup will appeal primarily to prosperous audio fans with an invincible streak of perfectionism.



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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OK, I am done



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