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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 41
Post ID: 21493
Reply to: 1509
WAMM 2015
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It looks like Wilson brings WAMM back:
 
http://www.stereophile.com/content/wilson-revisits-waam
 
Well, what can I say – it is smart. A few "jaw-dropping reviews" from the ordinary suspects and the new WAMM will be flying from warehouses with no less intensity then Alexandria. Good move for Wilsons. What I wonder if David Wilson have balls to go for WAMM's bass without ported enclosure. If he does then it might be a very interesting new large Wilson.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 42
Post ID: 21494
Reply to: 21493
Wilson's SOTA
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I don't remember and am too lazy to check the sizes of the drivers for this system, but I do "remember" this as a speaker that Wilson has never outdone since. I suppose it still comes with tech help in setting it up, which would be the ballgame for most prospective buyers; otherwise, it could take years. Likely this will have the newer, "softer" drivers, but I would be surprised if they went other than multiple "smaller" drivers for LF, not that LF has been the biggest "concern" for the WAMM. Anyway, I hope I get a chance to hear it, perhaps at THE show this year, since it's "all new for 2015".



Paul S
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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Post #: 43
Post ID: 21495
Reply to: 21493
Memory Lane
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Dave used to show (off) this system in the largest room available at CES. Lines formed and IIRC reservations were taken. I auditioned it twice and each time was the best BIG SOUND I had ever heard. Only, he wasn't careful about correct polarity.

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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 44
Post ID: 24892
Reply to: 1509
A sad news: Dave Wilson RIP
I has been announced that Dave Wilson has dies on May 25. From Jason Serinus‘ article:  
 
https://www.stereophile.com/content/au-revoir-dave-wilson-1944%C2%962018 
 
Discussing his ultimate statement, he [David] said, "The placement of the drivers relative to each other affects the synchronicity of the alignment of the leading edge of the transient. Our patent on how we achieve time alignment dates back to 1984. 
 
"Speed is not a main arbiter of quality; it's just a characteristic . . . It's about time; it's all about time. Flat frequency response, low distortion, extended bandwidth, and accurate timing synchronicity are equally important. It's nice if you have phase coherence, but it is not necessary. What I'm interested in is the synchronicity of the leading edge of each note. If you were to look at what 10 microseconds is on our measuring scale, you'll see that our adjustable driver positioning dissects that line. We are truly splitting hairs."
 



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Amir
Iran
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Post #: 45
Post ID: 24893
Reply to: 24892
Amplifier
Sad news,i have heard wilson alexandria and i never undrestand how it could be drived with proper amplifier.Alexandria need over 100 watt and i found no good amplifier over 20 watt. It seems wamm and other wilson big speakers do not let you use seprate amplifier for each channel.



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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 46
Post ID: 24894
Reply to: 24892
Good Business Model
It is sad to read about David Wilson's passing at 73 years of age.  He should serve as a model for audio marketing, if not product development.  One thing we never heard about was poor QC from Wilson, because this was not a problem for them, or they kept on top of it.

Amir, I am not positive as I type this, but I believe most Wilson speakers can be multi-amped.  As with all speakers, more power is required for LF, of course, and there are provisions for this.  The original WAMMs were multi-amped.  I did manage to find acceptable amps that are powerful.  I can't say they are better in all ways than SETs, but they do a better job with my speakers in my room, and if you are actually interested in finding amps to drive Wilson speakers, then you can do it.

Paul S
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Amir
Iran
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Post #: 47
Post ID: 24895
Reply to: 24894
Alexandria could not be biamp
Wilson wamm is not in iran and i have no idea about it’s multi amping but i know wilson alexandria has one terminal and you can not use multiamp for low and high frequency of Alexandria.Wilson alexandria had good sound  but i never listened to alexandria in an ideal setup.


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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 48
Post ID: 24896
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...whoever will hold the torch...
 Paul S wrote:
He should serve as a model for audio marketing, if not product development. 

For sure I would like do not scope down the life of the person to strictly audio accomplishments but if to look at the David Wilson loudspeakers accomplishments then it will not be an exemplary audio marketing or “not product development” as it has hardly anything to do with advancement of audio practice. To me the greatest 2 things the David did in loudspeakers was the following, ironically it was applicable ONLY in his flagship models (Grand Slamm and up), the smaller Wilson models are not interesting in my view:
   
1)    Aphesis of time alignment, no one care, understand or practice it unfortunately… This made the biggest Wilsons to sound so much different than anything else.
   
2)    Ability to eliminate dynamic compression with box loudspeakers. The largest Wilsons are the only known to me acoustic systems that being properly driven does not lose ground to horns in term of dynamic characteristics and freedom from compression. I have no idea how he did and why no one can match it. It might be drivers, crossovers, enclosure material or perhaps all of it combined but it is very unique to top of the line Wilson products.
   
I wish that whoever will hold the torch of the Wilson company will not lose that uniqueness.
 


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Amir
Iran
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Post #: 49
Post ID: 24898
Reply to: 24896
WAMM SPEC

Nominal Impedance : 3 ohms / minimum 1.77 ohms @ 310 Hz

Sensitivity : 90 dB @ 1W @ 1m @ 315Hz

Minimum Amplified Power : 100 watts/channel





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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 50
Post ID: 24899
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Reality Check
I first heard the WAMMs in LA, sometime around 1984-5, or so.  They were multi-amped.  I suppose my (SS) amps would drive the new WAMMs FR, since they will easily drive Mark M's giant electrostatic speakers to over 100 dB, measured at 5 m.  They are 600W/channel.  I wrote about them on this site.  I have not heard the big Wilson speakers "optimized", other than the original WAMMs.  I've heard lots of the smaller ones, in many settings,  and they are always too lifeless and boring.  The original WAMMs sounded pretty darn good, but they lost ground in "transparency" and "presence" to the old "stacked Quads" that were also demonstrated at that show.  Nothing but horns could touch those WAMMs in terms of "dynamics", however.  Sure, if there is a serious approach to a speaker system, then the amps have to be considered at the same time.  Of the "tight stack" Wilson speakers, the Alexx seems to be the "least" one to consider.  I have had two opportunities to listen to this speaker but I have not wanted to stay in the room with it as they presented it; too many problems and not enough time to try to sort it out.  They can make SPL, all right, but I've not yet heard them properly load their room.  It would be a hell of a project to tie big Wilson speakers to DSET!  Wilson spends a lot of time and money on their networks, they pretty much "design the speakers around them", and these networks alone pretty much ensure that SETs will have a tough time with Wilson speakers.




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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Post #: 51
Post ID: 24903
Reply to: 24899
"lifeless and boring"
Yes, what was it with those smaller Wilsons? And reviewers seemed to love them.
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Amir
Iran
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Post #: 52
Post ID: 24907
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Never found ideal amplifier
i have heard wilson speakers with these amplifiers:Vitus audio 50w , Asr emitter 140w, conrad johnson 130w  ,all  audio research setup with AR 600w, krell reference evo one 400w , krell fpb 400w, einshtein 50w, pathos 50w, mark levinson 200w, krell 200w, burmester 300w, accuphase 200w , air tight 50w, airtight 30w , audio note japan ongaku 27w , audio note uk ankoru 70w abd ...Audio note 70w ankoru was better than other but it is not ideal for alex.
I Never heard alexandria in ideal setup but overaly i think alexandria is very dynamic but those setups never convinced me alexandria is fast in transients.I have no idea which amplifier could make alex happy.Alexandria magic was it’s midrange and lower midrange to my ears. Very beautiful sound.

 If i say fast i do not mean zippy sound , i mean a transparent immediate sound.


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Paul S
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Post #: 53
Post ID: 24908
Reply to: 24907
Paper Tiger
Wilson’s advance reviewers/sellers have said Wilson has gone back to paper (all ScanSpeak) drivers, with silk tweeters.  IMO, this should be good for tone and texture, but it will likely change amp interface.  If I were interested in the Wilsons, and I could not find my present (Marantz MA9-S2) amps, I would try them with the big Burmester amps.  I do not “know” these amps, and I do not “like” them, if only because I’ve not really used them, but based on what I have heard from them I think they would be someplace to start.  The idea is always to move things around until you get the best sound possible from a given combination.  Of course, there is really no substitute for extended listening in your own home.


Paul S
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xandcg


Rio de Janeiro, BR.
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Post #: 54
Post ID: 24937
Reply to: 24908
Nagra HD?
I have no interest on them but the first amp I would try would be the Nagra HD.



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  »  New   Wilsons, EMM, Ozawa, Saint-Saens and.....  Re: Correction: EMM Lab DAC-transport....  Audio Discussions  Forum     4  42327  10-02-2005
  »  New  The most promising “best” commercial speaker..  Viva Audio...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     190  1237720  12-06-2006
  »  New  The loudspeakers for a powerful SET..  Mission Accomplished?...  Audio Discussions  Forum     48  278887  04-11-2008
  »  New  Macondo vs. the “industry sponsored speakers”..  Correction : "Man in the street"...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     4  35473  05-11-2008
  »  New  Wilson Audio and the Moore's law..  Sneak peak of modesty...  Audio News Forum     19  51264  04-26-2009
  »  New  A new CES 2010 loudspeaker?..  Good idea, indeed......  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     15  115147  01-13-2010
  »  New  A primer on high-end marketing: Wilson XLF..  About Wilson XLF by Robert Harley...  Audio News Forum     8  39158  12-17-2011
  »  New  Lamm ML2.2 and Mark the BS teller...  Keeping beaching about Spectral…...  Audio Discussions  Forum     7  44739  01-30-2012
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