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Antonio J.
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Had to read it twice

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but I get the point. The remaining question is then, how can one tweak, modulate, control, or shape the response of the system or the speakers to really become more accurate to the original "meaningful music"? For my own experience I know what you said, the more the brain has to "convert" wrong data into meaningful data, the worse is the experience. Listening fatigue and lack of involvement with the music easily appear.
I suppose you must accomplish the physical rules of acoustics and sound, but for sure there must be features more important than others. I mean that probably "fighting" to get a completly flat-full-range frequency response in our room is less useful than getting a less distorted sound, but which are in your opinion other important features? Phase distortion control? Time alignment? ????

Rgrds,

Ant
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Thorsten


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Re: Speakers: a hi-fi disaster.

zoloft

zoloft ttvmerwestad.nl
Hi,

 Romy the Cat wrote:
People frequently ask me what would be a good speaker to buy for $5.000, for $10.000 for $20.000 for $50.000 and so on. The more I think about it looking at the park of available loudspeakers the more I come to the observation that there are no good speakers our there, for any amount money.


I wrote something similar recently, where I was writing the leader for some product info.... Here my take:

"In high-end audio many speakers are manufactured and marketed commanding serious amounts of money to purchase. Yet they are, in their fundamental design, entirely conventional and follow the same principles as a £150 pair of speakers with the addition of a £150 subwoofer. It stands to question the wisdom of simply refining designs full of compromises and problems that drastically prejudice the possible outcome. Many such speakers suffer from the same audible problems as their cheaper counterparts, despite commanding often 100 times as much money. Few high-end speakers, admittedly, succeed in working around the various issues and reducing them to near inaudible (or at least inoffensive) levels. They do so however at huge material and engineering cost which of course translates to exorbitant High Street prices."

I have also posted some fairly detailed thoughts on the actual technical issues. These are fairly controversial, for one I suspect Romy would largely take exceptions, but I have written them anyway. You can find them here:

www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48247

Ciao T


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Romy the Cat


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Good writing, T...

norvasc

norvasc robmankphotography.co.uk
..., thanks for the link. Although I do not agree with few of your conclusions (surprise?) but the core of the problem caught quite illustratively. A few days ago a local guy called me and complained that his $22.000 2-channel loudspeakers use a cheap (I have to add improperly designed and sounding) woofers with retail price around $200 per driver and he was also very “fascinated” with the fact that his 9.000 subwoofer uses an amplifier that is available as an over-counter kit for $150. I am not stressing that the price differents is too ridicules but I would love to pressure that fact that the same $300-retail (~100 wholesale) worth loudspeaker could be perfectly packed into $500 product and it will be performing absolutely identical to the $22.000 hi-end gismo. In fact most of the cheap $500 speakers do overperform thier blown-off hi-fi competitors.

The Cat


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