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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 9,545
Joined on 05-28-2004

Post #: 21
Post ID: 19261
Reply to: 19251
Do your home work.
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 HookEm wrote:
But, although it seems things are moving in a good direction, the overall presentation still seems a bit dry (not as fluid as my head tells me it should be).
HookEm,

it was a bit is very generic comment that does not express anything definitive. A single driver speaker has to sound too dry, that is how they all sound even if the power by generator from Hoover Hydroelectric station. The moist in sound comes with lower octaves filing the room in certain way but it is impossible with single driver speaker unless you calibrate your yellow driver at 85dB sensitively and then use the lower octaves accordingly. The makers of yellow drivers mark them as over 100dB sensitive but forget to tell that it is over I would say 500Hz.

Anyhow, the dry statement is insufficient information and it mien be anything. Your Norah Jones type music has not a lot of complexity and from some perspective all of it has to be dry… because it is dry. When I accidently step on my Cat’s tail she screams and that is pretty much what you listening. How important that the Cat’s scream would be dry or moist?

You did ask proper questions, however. What you need to do now in your fight with “dryness” is to identify if it is the normal topological yellow driver dryness or it is the normal untreated room dryness. A person with some experience would very easy to say but if you are not “tune” to it then it might be confusing. So what you need is to do a simple test. Bring 2 friends home; a wife with adult kid would do as well. Sit in your listening chair, close your eyes and list your music. Note the normal level of dryness that you recognize. Then let your friend to take some kind of fizzy large bed cover and holding it in their hands to build some kind of roof above you.  Do not let the “roof” or “screen” to intersect the direct line of sign between your ears and speakers, keep the screen let say 3-4 feet above your head (put your friend on stools). With some physical efforts they can move the screen on the sides. What you need to pay attention is not if “the sound become better” but only to the fact of the amount the dryness that you recognize in sound will change. That type of “targeted listening” also requires some experience but I think you can do it. If you do detect that the dryness will be gone or substantial minimized than it would indicate that it was coming from your room, something that I highly suspect.
 
Yes, one more thing, very important. If you use your wife for the screen holding then do not forget to buy her a pearl necklace after the experiment. This will lubricate the sound in your listening room and make it less dry and abrasive. You will see, the next week she will ask you to make more audio experiments… :-)

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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HookEm
Posts 12
Joined on 04-14-2013

Post #: 22
Post ID: 19263
Reply to: 19261
Audio experiment
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 Romy the Cat wrote:

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Yes, one more thing, very important. If you use your wife for the screen holding then do not forget to buy her a pearl necklace after the experiment. This will lubricate the sound in your listening room and make it less dry and abrasive. You will see, the next week she will ask you to make more audio experiments… :-)

The Cat
Will do Romy, thanks! (Especially the WAF part... LOL... Very wise!)
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HookEm
Posts 12
Joined on 04-14-2013

Post #: 23
Post ID: 19264
Reply to: 19261
Literature
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You know, this thread (Romy's comments) has got me thinking...
Could any of you recommend some literature about how to listen to music (in general), and perhaps more specifically: how to listen to reproduced music in typical home environment (covering room acoustics), etc.
It seems like the normal tendency (well, I'm speaking for myself, and for most home audio aficionados that I've met) is to focus on the equipment  (trying this & trying that, chasing what seems like a ghost - investing lots of time, and money - and being frustrated in the process... and all without a good fundamental understanding of what to listen for, what is reasonable of to expect (given some criteria, and set of limitations), what is reasonable to fix (based on room size constraints, or quite frankly "wallet size" constraints), and perhaps more importantly: "how" to fix it.
Thanks,HookEm
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,157
Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 24
Post ID: 19266
Reply to: 19264
Read This Site!
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HE, from what you've said so far, much of what puzzles and interests you now has been thoroughly discussed here for years, and IMO you owe it to yourself to read extensively at this site.  As you begin to "get the idea" you will be better able to navigate on your own, and even your questions will bear more fruit.  Anything that's not already here will likely come up as a reference or link, or you will have the "background" necessary to "figure it out".  In any case, you will learn a lot in short order as your understanding of audio playback "transforms" from the usual gear shopping and swapping to something more personal and more focused on your appreciation of Music.

Best regards,
Paul S
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HookEm
Posts 12
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Post #: 25
Post ID: 19267
Reply to: 19266
"grasshopper" moment...
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 Paul S wrote:
HE, from what you've said so far, much of what puzzles and interests you now has been thoroughly discussed here for years, and IMO you owe it to yourself to read extensively at this site.  As you begin to "get the idea" you will be better able to navigate on your own, and even your questions will bear more fruit.  Anything that's not already here will likely come up as a reference or link, or you will have the "background" necessary to "figure it out".  In any case, you will learn a lot in short order as your understanding of audio playback "transforms" from the usual gear shopping and swapping to something more personal and more focused on your appreciation of Music.

Best regards,
Paul S

Will do Paul... But, I have to admit that the idea of perusing this site seems overwhelming, at least that is my immediate reaction (there's a LOT of intertwined information!). However, like with any task that may seem BIG at first, it does become smaller (and more manageable) when one starts "chipping away at it" - hopefully in a somewhat systematic way... Having said that, I'd still welcome any specifc recommendations (titles, links) you'all may offer. Thanks.

BTW, your reply brought to mind scenes from the TV series "Kung Fu", where the little grasshopper starts to get a small glimpse to a path of enlightenment.
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noviygera


Chicago, IL
Posts 144
Joined on 06-12-2009

Post #: 26
Post ID: 19269
Reply to: 19264
This book is a good start
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Get Better Sound, by Jim Smith.
I like this book because it does help to visualize the sound at home as a big picture, so you will see more ways of expressing your problem and approaching it. Also, I think you need to get a completely different sound system into your room (borrow stuff for a week if possible, from audio aficinados that you mentioned or from local store) and see if the signature of the sound remains or disappears, you will learn if it your room or the system.
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