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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 232
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 21
Post ID: 11852
Reply to: 11750
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 Paul S wrote:


Amir, please also say something that suggests you "get" the "Music" part of hi-fi, too, because, although it is interesting, this sounds pretty "detatched" from Music to me right now.

In other words  (and making no conclusive assumptions about this...), if not for Music, why bother? (And where does the Music enter the picture?)

Best regards,
Paul S



Paul
please clarify your question to me.

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paul1orr
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Joined on 03-26-2010

Post #: 22
Post ID: 13226
Reply to: 11754
My take on imaging
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 Markus wrote:
I don't want to hear where a musician is on stage, I want to hear why he is on stage.

Just found this site a few days ago and busy reading......
In the last 10 years I finally grew up enough to really listen to music (50 now). What I found...as per Romy's ideas on speaker positioning, is that when things are right you simply close your eyes and the speakers no longer exist, you are there,somewhere non specific, where the music is being performed and with your eyes closed you see not the musician, but where he is and feel the natural tone of the particular instrument as well as the scale of the instrument, the scale of the performing group and the scale of the venue. Personally I feel that the last point, the scale of the venue is the hardest to get in the home as larger scale places require more of a far field experience and we only really get a near field experience in most homes. The only far field available is to use small speakers which then lose the scale of the performance. Soundstage may be basically BS but imaging is certainly a sensory perception available in live and reproduced music and therefore rudimentary to all real listening.

So your are looking for the meaning in the music? The reason for the performance? Seems to me like you can't separate the where from the why if you really wish to fully ENJOY the music. Isn't the whole purpose of a site like this about achieving the most complete and enjoyable listening experience?
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drdna
San Francisco, California
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Post ID: 13234
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My goals beyond
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It is actually easy in my opinion to separate the objectives where and why in stereo, just like saying:

"I want to really have the sound of the bass to be heard at lifelike volumes, even if it means the timbre is wrong and the speakers are straining at their maximum to reproduce those sound levels." 

or:

"I want to hear the finger movements on the keyboard so well I can identify exactly if the index or ring finger was used on the G key, even if it means the sounds are jagged and the life is sucked out of them and I would never hear that at a real live concert."

Or various things. There is nothing wrong with these objectives or goals. It is fine. However, it is important to define your goals and to understand what compromises you are willing to create and accept in your stereo system to achieve your goals. To use the words "complete and enjoyable listening" is good and bad. It certainly does express what I agree we all seek. However, it is entirely vague. Enjoyment is something very different for everyone. If in fact you actually mean to imply one can "have it all", I have to flatly disagree, as the fundamental limitations of the recording and audio reproduction process simply preclude this.

Adrian
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  »  New  Preamplifiers: keys to mystery. (Lamm L1, L2)..  In analog domain...  Audio Discussions  Forum     2  54056  11-14-2004
  »  New  Be careful: Imaging vs. Compression..  Compression vs. imaging...  Playback Listening  Forum     23  188702  10-24-2005
  »  New  Contributing factors in compressed sound..  Contributing factors of compressed sound....  Audio Discussions  Forum     3  39960  08-23-2007
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