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Romy the Cat


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My subject of envy to audio manufacturers.

Among all my mocking and humiliating the people who do audio professionally (well very few of them do it professionally, mostly they do it “for leaving”) I have to admit that there is one subject that made me to envy to some of the guys who do audio manufacturing. The nature of that envy is that they can allow themselves to make some interesting experiments and let someone to pay for those experiments. I find it is wonderful and I would love to have this opportunity.

Well, all have own interests and ideas that we would like to try. Some manufacturing guys (not all of them, VERY MUCH NOT all of them) have their native and original interest in sound reproduction as well. However, for a person who in the business of making audio it is much simper to try new personal ideas, new concepts without even the intentions to convert the experiments to serial production models.

Sure, we non-professionals could do it as well but it is a lot of time, and a lot of efforts and… not the last a lot of money. I would be very gratifying if in the end what the project might be a change to reimburse the efforts. The manufacturers do have this opportunity. We, the enthusiasts do not.

For instance I have a few ideas how to make a very interesting loudspeakers system, that would be relatively inexpensive, full-range, relatively small but at the same time that would a very high result… with little regards for room. Pretend a result of the Wilson Alexandria (actuary much better) for under $15.000… Still, to try it I would need to spend quite a time and) would say $7K-$10K. Sure, I am very interested to try it but I would never do it. I would never do it because I personally do not need it for my own playback and to invest so much effort “juts for fan” does not make sense to me. However, should I be a manufacture then it “might” be a different story. Manufacturers are equipped to make such experiments. Also during those experiments they might discover some findings that they might utilize in this commercial products (effectively cashing out the time and money the have spent in the experiments).  It would not be mentioning that the results of the experiments might leads to a viable commercial product…

Yes. I envy them for that. Sure they have own problems and restriction but still…if a person has a passion and native interest his day-time occupation allows him to exercise his interest then I find if it enviable…


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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RonyWeissman
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You have a gift
Romy,

I think there are many of us that follow your audio endeavours with a lot of interest and a lot of envy. I'm not talking about having the money to buy the Vitavox S2 etc..  I wish I had the ability to come up with interesting speakers/amplifiers. Even to follow what you have so generously given away on your site is very difficult for me. Personally I would love a set of melquiades and  full-range speakers that are relatively small and provide what you would consier "interesting sound." 

I know you won't do it, but I  wish that you could find an audio professional that you like and that could use your ideas to manufacture a line of equipment...maybe someone with no so much experience or no exerience in the "business."  This way you can pursue your audio interests while perhaps investing less time in the manufacture, and at same time do the projects that are of interest to you but you don't really need.  I know this goes against your thoughts that each of us has to come up with a "sound" for our system. But at the same time we have to have some good units to start to find this sound.  Only problem I see is that the name "CAT" is already taken by the upside-down sounding equipment. 

Well here's hoping that instead of my forking out 12k for ML-2 and several thousand on horns that probably aren't well-built I can buy  GoodSoundClub gear...

Sincerely,

Rony Weissman

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Romy the Cat


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It would be fun to have somebody to pay for it…

Rony, yes, if I have somebody who would do for me all "implementation" work then I wound never do audio in the format I have been doing it for the last 6 years. I would rather just pay money to the people then juts USE audio instead of “digging” the audio … Interspersing that from time to time it possible to find among audio manufacturers the people who are wiling to do really “pushy”, real marginal and really interesting things… In the past for instance I had very positive experience with Guy Hammel. As many time I approached him proposing different mad project Guy always was able to endure them. Recently I had extremity positive experience with Aleksandar Radisavljevic from RAAL Advanced Loudspeakers and I hoe the result will be worthy. Still, a serious solution prodders is very big rarity in high-end. Most of the manufacturer are aim to open upscale resonant and become supreme chefs but then they up managing McDonalds. The only difference the in that their “high-end McDonalds” they have a free car wash during the drive in… I have written something among those lines at:

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2920

I do not think that money is something that drives some people. It is well know that masses have no marginal demands and therefore no marginal accomplishments. A person is intelligent and “serious” - the masses are stupidly equalized. So, it is not surprise that a people who dive into mass production end up making garbage. The very same Vladimir Lamm use to critique the companies that change the colors of wires they used and claim a new “revolutionary model available”. So, spending a couple more years in the Industry, his critique turn to shit and nowadays he run, for my point of view the most unfortunate (sound-wise) operation with the only one justification: “I do not do anything different then what other manufacturers do.”

Still, even with doing all this audio crap professionally it would be nice to have asses to Danlavy’s anechoic chambers, to Wilson enclosure know-how, to custom wholesale Aura magnates structures, to European cellulose pulp makers… It would be fun to have somebody to pay for it…


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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