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Romy the Cat


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Meitner Audio - Ed Meitner's new company.
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Ed Meitner after Musatex ran his celebrated EMM Lab Company.  I never liked the EMM Lab products. Although each with trash in audio loved to like EMM Lab ADCs but I found that this D/A converters were horrible. The entire Meitner parley in SACD was disasters in my estimation. Since Ed Meitner converted in 1999 the wonderful 4-bit DSD to the 1-bit DSD he effectively killed SACD. The idiots do not get but the idiots do not deserve better. Over the next 10 years EMM Lab produced horrible DAC that were equal in misery only by dirt that was selling them – and Oh, boy, the EMM Lab was very lucky to have incredible scams  working for their sales. I cat not say anything about the EMM Lab ADC – I have had them but I has a LOT of exposure to their DAC. Ironically they were hugely popular among the Morons and superbly persistently demonstrated horrible sound.

I do not know what happened with EMM Lab, I am not plug into industry rumors anymore but it looks like Ed Meitner formed his new company.

http://www.meitner.com/beta/index.html

I do not know what they will be doing, most like the same digital equipment as Ed did for EMM and Musatex. Let see how it goes. I wonder if in his new company Ed will still propel the stipend 1-bit DSD. He like nobody else understands how insufficient 1-bit SACD is. I was the person who heard his first 4-bit DSD recording and it was phenomenal. Will Mr. Meitner with his new company come with something that will redeem the fraud that was perpetrated with SACD? Will see how it will come….

Rgs, Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
03-04-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


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Meitner’s MA-1 DAC
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It looks like Ed Meitner has a new DAC. I come to it at 6moon site.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/meitner/1.html

I very much like the what Srajan Ebaen does for the last couple years. Srajan probably took what I explained at my site about his writing close enough to his hart and very many changes the way how he writes his “reviews”. He does not go nowadays into the murky water of sound or the actual aspect of equipment performance. He makes pictures, publishes the context of manufacturer’s buckets and describes what he sees. I think it is very right approach and I do applaud for the Srajan new ways. This way Srajan does not sound like a typical idiot and his articles stop to be pretentious foolishness but become quite informative and useful for what they are.

Anyhow, Meitner with his new DAC:

http://www.meitner.com/preview/ma-1.html

In the link at the Meitner’ site there is a reference to a review by Chris Connaker, so called Computer Audiophile. I did not read it as Connaker is an industry whore.  If you are a pig farmer and owner of a pig farm then you might call your fattest pig Mr. DAC and then you will see the idiot-Connaker will run to your pig and lick it’s asshole. I am very much not exaggerating – this is what this retards does and this is his identity.

 So, Meitner’s new DAC. An impressive and kind of mandatory for today set of features. It cost $7K which is kind of reasonable nowadays for a good DAC. Meitner is one of the very few makers who is know for very good second echelon products.  In some way his second echelon products might be even better then his first echelon product. I never was a huge fan of his EMM lab DACs, I find them to be very unpleasantly sounding. I have had my own but I hear it many many many times and all visions if installation of others and I always knew that if EMM Lab DAC was in system it meant garbage Sound.

It looks like (or I hope) that the new MA-1 DAC is a different product, and it look like another MA-2 DAC is coming.

I did not hear the MA-1 DAC. I did not hear about it. I do not think that I will make an effort to hear it. I run 1x via Bidat, 2x via Lavry 924 and 4x via Pasific. Between then I do not have any frustration to hear another DAC, still for some other an idea to have a DAC that can do anything, including USB and DSD streams might be appealing. Nowadays there are many DACs that can do it I do not know how they sound but I think when somebody like Meitner enters the pool then his take need to be considered or at least observed.

What I like. It has a remote control that switches the inputs. I hope the sampling rate automatics recognized – this is absolutely mandatory. I like that the DAC has no idiotic volume control. Bravo Meitner? Only the presence of output volume control in many other DAC instantly disqualified them from any considerations as it indicated that the designer have ears that grows from ass but not from head.

What I do not like. The DAC has no natural processing at original sapling rate and upsamples everything to reportedly double SACD sampling rate. I do not think that it might be deferred in new Meitner DAC and if not than it is a huge white flag in my book.

Anyhow, here is a new Meitner’s DAC, I think it might be worthy to hear it despite the unfortunate upsampling…

Rgs, Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Canuck
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Tell us what you really think
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  Romy   Quit being so diplomatic and tell us what you really think..... 
   Incidentally, I tried the Meitner Ma-1 . It is a great dac in many ways but I think it still needs more software development as it sound quite different depending on what input was used.Also the bass was very flabby sounding for some reason( like it had no control). If they get these areas fixed it will be a killer dac.
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Romy the Cat


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A new Meitner?
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 Canuck wrote:
  Romy   Quit being so diplomatic and tell us what you really think.....
   Incidentally, I tried the Meitner Ma-1 . It is a great dac in many ways but I think it still needs more software development as it sound quite different depending on what input was used.Also the bass was very flabby sounding for some reason( like it had no control). If they get these areas fixed it will be a killer dac.
I do not know why you feel that I need to be diplomatic. I did tell that I very much hate whatever Meitner did in EMM Lab. I have no business to express anything about the Meitner Audio, the Ed Meitner's new company. This is a deferent company, different products, who know what it might be. Meitner is great engineer and he can come up with anything you wish if he wants, so it is very hard to set any expectations. Pay attention that Meitner did not introduce a new model of EMM Lab but formed a new company. Usually it is made because of two reasons:

1)      To make the price policy of new company does not undermine the price of old one.
2)      Separate the result of the old company from the results of the first one.

If the reason that Meitner used was #2 and if he as well think that his EMM was not as good as they has to be then it is a very good sign and the new Meitner cop any promised to be more interesting.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Canuck
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Meitner audio
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  I think a lot of it had to do with Playback designs( there was a legal battle between them and the not so honourable Tinn man) and therefore to under cut on the price to take sales away from them.  I found this accidentally while researching Playback designs as I was going to buy one. Needless to say after reading the court documents I believe Tinn tried to set them up and planned this the whole time.  http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/oregon/ordce/3:2007cv00963/84055/181
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steverino
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Meitner and sony
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I don't know Ed Meitner so this is not a defense of his association with SACD. However, as I mentioned some time ago I strongly suspect that it was Sony who demanded the one bit SACD and nixed the 4 bit. Sony in the late 90s was obsessed with copy protection (as were the DVD-A folks). Sony wanted a system that could not output a usable digital stream the way that CD did. Sony spokespeople at the time repeatedly made reference to the fact that SACD required no copy protection and also that the SACD digital stream would remain non exportable. Meitner didn't walk away from it as he should have in a perfect world. The whole business was absurd because as is well known almost all SACD files were regularly brought into PCM editors and then put back into SACD. SACD ended up sounding more unnatural than regular CD although it did have more realistic transient speed IMO. I only heard his EMM gear once but I didn't like the sound either FWIW. 
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