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09-06-2005 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post ID: 1405
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The FM Radio. What a Hell?!

I was “complaining” before that there is some kind of “very beautiful devil” lives in FM radio broadcasts. I can’t figure out why even when they broadcast the recordings from the CDs that I know very well then thier broadcasts impact t more musical then the same CD played at my “reportedly better” CD playback.

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/TreeItem.aspx?PostID=1330

Just now the WHRB 95.3 broadcasted the Marc-Andre Hamelin plays of the Scrabin’s Sonata #1. I have this CD, know the peace very well and although I generally like what Hamelin did with it I never hold this performance in any pedestal and I never get form it that “convoluted magic of the Scrabin’s mind”. The WHRB ran the First Sonata right from the CD and for a first time the Hamelin’s Scrabin really “got” me. It was as magical, as complicated, as hypnotizing, as mysterious and as secretive as Scrabin should be…

What the hell going on with the FM and why  the FM  loads so much “contextual pressure” into reproduced music?

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
09-07-2005 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Post ID: 1409
Reply to: 1405
Re: The FM Radio. What a Hell?!
Actually, you heard the music off a computer -- into which the CD has been programmed. That's how it works, during the summer.

Hope that helps...

clark
09-07-2005 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post ID: 1413
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The FM low-pass filter?
 clarkjohnsen wrote:
Actually, you heard the music off a computer -- into which the CD has been programmed. That's how it works, during the summer.
I “kind of knew” it, or at least suspected it.  At this point it is irrelevant “how it works” – even if theY play it form CD then I am sure it some kind of very crappy source. The main question is “why it works”?

Why the music coming through FM chain get fertilized with “spirit”. I know that the FM is not transparent over 16kHz. Perhaps the keys in there and then perhabs I was not too much off:

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/TreeItem.aspx?PostID=1396

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
09-18-2005 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
yoshi
Jefferson (MA), United States
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Joined on 05-04-2005

Post #: 4
Post ID: 1464
Reply to: 1413
Re: The FM low-pass filter?
Yeah, it was really surprising.  The music from your FM was very, very natural and organic (I'm not saying other mediums sounded bad, it was great, but there was more ease and naturalness with FM).  Is FM noise working as some kind of dither?  But you said it wasn't as good with other tuners you had in the past.

It reminded me of my experience some yeas ago at Vegas show.  After days of demoing and visiting other rooms, I came back really tired to my rented Ford Escort one evening, turned on the key, and Sinatra was on the radio.  It felt like I heard a music first time in my entire stay in Vegas!

Yoshi
09-28-2005 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
cv
Derby, United Kingdom
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Joined on 09-15-2004

Post #: 5
Post ID: 1489
Reply to: 1464
FM... other factors at work?
I dunno if any of this applies to you guys and radio, but by way of analogy, when I had a tv, I might watch (and enjoy) films that I certainly wouldn't bother with if I had to shove a tape of the same into the VCR that evening.

Likewise, I've found myself hanging around places like cafes, shops etc for a bit longer than necessary cos they're playing a song I like, even though at home I probably wouldn't play it for years.

Could it be that relieved of the burden of choice such as offered by a large record collection, that some minor neurotic anxiety disappears, making it easier to enjoy the music? Nice to be able to delegate responsibility for a decision when normally there's no-one around whos judgement you trust....

Just a thought. I do also think that the modulation processes in FM radio and also, tape, may have something to do with it.

cheers
cv
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yoshi
Jefferson (MA), United States
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Post ID: 1490
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Re: FM... other factors at work?
I know what you mean, but I think it is a bit different.  With Romy's system, CDs and LPs sound more immediate than FM, but through FM, I perceived music more as a whole.  It's like my brain re-constract an anssemble from each perceived sound of instruments when listening to CD, LP, but with FM, it's more like I perceived an anssemble and instruments are naturally placed in it.  I only listened to some classical piece with FM (orchestral and vocal), so I don't know how I feel if I listened to jazz because I prefer the immediate presence of soloing instrument with jazz.

Yoshi
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clarkjohnsen
Boston, MA, US
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Post ID: 1492
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Re: FM... other factors at work?
"Could it be that relieved of the burden of choice such as offered by a large record collection, that some minor neurotic anxiety disappears, making it easier to enjoy the music?" Interesting speculation...

Do you feel more comfortable in a library, than beside your own shelf of unread books?...

clark
09-29-2005 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
cv
Derby, United Kingdom
Posts 173
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Post #: 8
Post ID: 1493
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Re: FM... other factors at work?

Allo

Clark: I think that's a quite different analogy. I've never felt particularly comfortable in libraries at all, nice not to have to edit out noisy semi-non-essential bodily functions etc.

Yoshi: Interesting observations, which to my mind suggest some "smoothing" of sonic edges by the transmission process, a touch of soft focus perhaps?

I recalled Romy's comments regarding remote control and wonder if there's a parallel with my argument there.

cheers

cv

 

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