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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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DAW drives configuration and backup strategies.
fiogf49gjkf0d

Well, it happened with me, one of my HH of my DAW, or as they call it “music server”, went down. It does not recognize by BIOS anymore, suck, it would be costly to recover data from there. Partially the most important files from there were backed but not the recent files. Anyhow, I would like to take this opportunity to talk about allocation of the files on music file server and the backup strategy.

I have a machine that I custom built with 3GHz, 4G memory, 4 IDE and 6 SATA terminals, external fanless PS and fanless cooling. The machine runs Lynx 16 interface to my external DACs and ADCs. It is Windows XP/II. The box has ONLY my recording and conversion software installed and the Windows serviced are optimized do not do a lot of other tasks. It is a simple mashie but it does the job very well. I decided do not go for RAID arrays or NAS drives in past, primary because the cost, having an ability to pile up 9 HH in the computer box I figures it would be enough. Right I was or wrong it hard to say…

I have 8 HH installed in the DAW - 3 IDE and 3 SATA. All of them regular 7800RPM. The files hold 99% of my own WAV and .64 files, mostly FM recordings. I have only 2 CD copied to my DAW. After many different configurations I found a partition strategy that makes the drivers to be filled with more or less similar speed – the key was how to slice the larger orchestral drive

1)      System Drive of 70G – just operation system and support -20% filled
2)      Chamber Drive 500G  – 50% filled
3)      Recording Drive 100G – the drive to which I record and it has a lot of files that did not save yet or will not save – 40% filled
4)      Orchestral Drive 750G - 99% filled
5)      Second Orchestral Drive 1T – a new drive -5% filled
6)      Opera Drive 1T - 60% filled
7)      Concerto Drive 1T – this is a extract from Orchestral  drive - 60% filled
8)      Best Recordings Drive 750G – best recording from all drive or… backup -70% filled

Since there was a lot of drivers in my PC to shutdown the power to the drives while they are not used. I think this did screw up one of my dives that went down – I presume the driver does not want to start and stop…

So, having around 3T of musk I wonder how can I back up my drivers in order to keep the backup comfortable and cost effective? A tape might be a solution but it sound like obsolete solution.  I might get NAS array and dump files in there but it sound to me a bit too self-obsessed. I have a few extra mashies to which I can install a few large drives and to copy the files to and then show down the machines… I do not know it sound to me also as “too big” solution that also doubles the recourses allocated to DAW. Are any alternatives?

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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op.9
Planet Earth
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Joined on 01-26-2007

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Post ID: 11915
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Windows Home Server
fiogf49gjkf0d
About 6 months ago I installed windows Home Server on an old PC. This is connected via wired network to my music PC in the music room. After a few teething troubles, it is now working flawlessly.
I let foobar index all the music on WHS and use the 'Album List' + 'view by folder structure' to search from with foobar. This is a foolproof and very quick search method.
The main advantages...
1. all installed hard discs appear as one large drive. This is great.
2. with 'file duplication' enabled you can survive a failure of any installed hard drive. Simply remove it and plug in another. (this does mean that you need to double your hard drive capacity - i have more than 2tb of music on 5tb hard drives) Samsung 1.5tb drives are now only £50 in the uk
3. all music available for download whilst away from home - a complete bonus for me
4. other features - I allow WHS to backup all my PC's including visiting Laptops. WHS also kindly advises if your firewall or anti-virus systems are not working - thanks.
I'm told by some Linux friends that there are easier, cheaper, better ways of doing this - but I'm not really complaining about Microsoft this time...
all best,james


everybody used to call me James in my past other-worldly life.
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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To power down the hard disks or not?
fiogf49gjkf0d

My backup strategy is kind simple. I have another box filled with hard disk to where I copy data using Beyond Compare. I have also some automation scripts that synchronize some drives between my DAW, my working development machines with the drives of back up box.   It is not perfect as I uselessly keep the backup box off and turn it up juts to backup the things. I feel it is better to keep the backup box off line. Perhaps I need to use HP’s ILO to schedule the boot the box and do automated backup.

Anyhow, it is not the point that I at trying to make.  I use PC from beginning of 90s and I never had any single hard drive filed on me. Back in end of 90s I ran a development team which included international environmental QA lab with around 60 machines cranking data 24/7. There was never HH failure. I do not say that HH are reliable but I never had them. The last week I had one. Furthermore, believe me or not, but among 4 HH that I bought last week one of them had failed on third day.

It might be a consequences but it might be a sign of something. Last month, I for a very first time in my dealing with desktop computers engaged the Windows functionality to turn off hard disks if they do not read/write data more than 30 minutes. The next month I lost 2 hard drives. Consequences? Might be but might be not.

I think it is related. When a HH spins it feels perfectly fine. The HH today all have air suspension and bearing do not wear. So, I presume the HH is get problems not because it spins but because the spinning start and stop. Can anybody to corroborate on it?

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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mjloudspeaker
Posts 40
Joined on 08-07-2009

Post #: 4
Post ID: 11945
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Not expensive to recover DATA, avoid Corporate Recovery Firms!
fiogf49gjkf0d
 Romy the Cat wrote:

Well, it happened with me, one of my HH of my DAW, or as they call it “music server”, went down. It does not recognize by BIOS anymore, suck, it would be costly to recover data from there. Partially the most important files from there were backed but not the recent files. Anyhow, I would like to take this opportunity to talk about allocation of the files on music file server and the backup strategy.

I have a machine that I custom built with 3GHz, 4G memory, 4 IDE and 6 SATA terminals, external fanless PS and fanless cooling. The machine runs Lynx 16 interface to my external DACs and ADCs. It is Windows XP/II. The box has ONLY my recording and conversion software installed and the Windows serviced are optimized do not do a lot of other tasks. It is a simple mashie but it does the job very well. I decided do not go for RAID arrays or NAS drives in past, primary because the cost, having an ability to pile up 9 HH in the computer box I figures it would be enough. Right I was or wrong it hard to say…

I have 8 HH installed in the DAW - 3 IDE and 3 SATA. All of them regular 7800RPM. The files hold 99% of my own WAV and .64 files, mostly FM recordings. I have only 2 CD copied to my DAW. After many different configurations I found a partition strategy that makes the drivers to be filled with more or less similar speed – the key was how to slice the larger orchestral drive

1)      System Drive of 70G – just operation system and support -20% filled
2)      Chamber Drive 500G  – 50% filled
3)      Recording Drive 100G – the drive to which I record and it has a lot of files that did not save yet or will not save – 40% filled
4)      Orchestral Drive 750G - 99% filled
5)      Second Orchestral Drive 1T – a new drive -5% filled
6)      Opera Drive 1T - 60% filled
7)      Concerto Drive 1T – this is a extract from Orchestral  drive - 60% filled
8)      Best Recordings Drive 750G – best recording from all drive or… backup -70% filled

Since there was a lot of drivers in my PC to shutdown the power to the drives while they are not used. I think this did screw up one of my dives that went down – I presume the driver does not want to start and stop…

So, having around 3T of musk I wonder how can I back up my drivers in order to keep the backup comfortable and cost effective? A tape might be a solution but it sound like obsolete solution.  I might get NAS array and dump files in there but it sound to me a bit too self-obsessed. I have a few extra mashies to which I can install a few large drives and to copy the files to and then show down the machines… I do not know it sound to me also as “too big” solution that also doubles the recourses allocated to DAW. Are any alternatives?

The Cat

I suggest strongly that you shop around for recovery as I paid $75.00 for total recovery efforts on my hard drive when it crapped out. It depends where you get it done, don't go to corporate recovery data people if you know what I mean. Go to a computer nerd little shop, they'll spin it around (you hard drive) and will recover that they can.

j.

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