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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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My old Fi-Hi gear associations...
 
I was cleaning my old file server and found my old associations after auditioning some of High End gear...
 

Atma-Sphere 

Lying in a bathroom with the bathtub filled with motor oil.

Spectral 

Begging for any liquid after a trip though the desert and receiving the glass filled with sand instead of water.

Audio Research 

Wandering though the woods, losing the way and trying to recognize a familiar road but being unable due to heavy fog….

McIntosh 

Chewing cotton.

Classe,  McCormack 

Making love for money with a 700 pound women and after the mission is accomplished realizing that you are going to do it for the rest of your life.

BAT 

Smelling a wet dog

Dunlavy 

To adopt an elephant and to be happy that your pet creates a larger bowel movement than your neighbor’s dog.

Theta 

Trying to taste wine in a dirty public restroom.

Mark Levinson 

Keeping a bare 120V wire between the teeth.

MBL 

Watching the play of the German soccer team.

Bang & Olufsen 

Having a candle-lit dinner in McDonalds.

Aural  Symphonics 

Working in the office during the Fire Alarm Drill.

Burmester 

Navigating a sailboat with triple the amount of ballast.

Aerial Acoustics 

Running a marathon holding a mouth full of water during the whole distance.

Revel 

Spending a weekend attaching the Mercedes emblem to a Volkswagen Beatle.

Meridian 

Licking a cold and wet glass.

Cary Audio 

An attempt to play tennis with a racket without strings.

Pass 

Leaving for a bike trip with a broken bicycle, wet socks, miserable companions and having no idea where to go.

Bryston 

Attempting to fly an aircraft with perfectly functional engines but without a propeller.

Kimber 

Eating sushi with ketchup.

Martin-Logan 

Musical prescription after third heart attack.

Stereophile Magazine 

Being raped, receiving an invoice for “the service” and then sending the check out.

Krell 

Buying $500 bottle wine, cracking the bottle's neck while opening it, and drinking the wine knowing that there is some glass inside…

Red Rose Music 

Eating the marinated pickles with honey.

MIT Cables 

Being incarcerated in a sensory deprivation chamber.

JM Labs 

Trying t o play tennis on an indoor court that's surrounded by a huge, fragile glass window.

5.1 Sound 

Writing a document for 6 hours, having the computer crash, then realizing that the autosave feature was turned off.

Sunfire 

Waiting for the results of a Pregnancy Test during the whole listening session.

Sugden 

Equipment that sounds remarkably similar to the phonetic pronunciation of the company’s name.

Copland 

An attempt to hammer a nail into the wall with a hammer that has no handle.>>

B&W 

Having a sheet of thin cigarette paper between yourself and the speakers during listening.

PAD 

Meeting somebody from your home town during vacation in a land far away.

Tara Lab 

Eating frozen Gefiltah Fish.

Linn 

Wearing somebody else's suit.

Cello 

Eating soup cooked by this recipe: 1 Gallon of Distilled Water, 0.5 pound of aluminum shaving, 10 ounces of rusty iron nails, 6 ounces of white plastic, 10 ounces of copper, Boil for 2 hours and serve chilled close to frozen.

Naim 

Listening to music "around the corner"

Rega 

An attempt to deliver a speech with sealed lips.

Chord 

Listening to a model's wisdom.

Audio  dealers 

Eating a Boston Cream Donut while suffering from diabetes.

Unison Research 

Wearing pants with huge holes in the pockets.

Plinus  

Having an upset stomach during honeymoon night.

Beauhorn 

To confuse partner’s sex.

CAT 

To listen to an orchestra sitting upside-down.

CJ  

Undercooked vacuum "Oops" dipped into marketing Vaseline.

Audio Note 

To learn that the toilet booth that you're in has no toilet paper but a manual how to use it.

Passive preamp 

An attempt to make dying horse pull 6000 tons railway train.

Tenor 

Saying wrong things in unfamiliar language with the very best intentions




"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul Scearce
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Improvised cookie recipe
Right after I read this list, I found my son baking cookies. The recipe seemed to be: 1 1/2 cups cinamon, 1 egg, 1 Tbsp salt, 1 tsp pepper. This reminded me of my experience attempting to design and build hi fi equipment and speakers.

The procedure seems to be like attempting to bake cookies with little or no knowledge of baking, no recipe, and only a vague idea how they should taste. After eating a batch, comment on how good they tasted, then try again, but change the recipe. Eat this batch, notice what improved if you are lucky, and comment on how much better they were than the last batch. I've gotten to the point that I don't comment much any more.

Paul
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guy sergeant
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Re: My old Fi-Hi gear associations...

Agree with most of these but I think your being a bit kind to B&W. Less of a cigarette paper more of a 13 Tog Duvet.

Which Audio Note product did you hear that you thought so little of? The UK made stuff and the Japanese stuff are very different.

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Romy the Cat


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More about the AN associations...

 guy sergeant wrote:
Which Audio Note product did you hear that you thought so little of? The UK made stuff and the Japanese stuff are very different.


Guy, I did not really was “thinking” about it. I just wrote down my very initial reaction to Sound produced by the different manufacturing houses, without rationalizing or judging. Also, although I am not a big fan of Audio Note (either one) but I do not think that the sound itself was something that forced me to feel the switch from a toilet paper to “ass utilizing manual”. Rather he reasons were the Hercules efforts of the AN owners and AN dealers to convince and persuade me that the Sound they got out of thier ANs was worth something.

Rgs,
Romy



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guy sergeant
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| agree with your feline wariness with regard to torch bearing disciples of any given faith, be they believers in Altec, Audio Note or even Vitavox. In the case of Audio Note the fervour has often been exacerbated by the activities, pricing and proclamations of PQ. I have visited the Japanese factory and know Mr Kondo quite well. He is a quiet and humble individual not given to ranting about the merits of what he makes. Some of it, (the current speakers and some of the amplifiers) are in my view, not outstanding. Other items, (the big preamp, phono stage, cartridge, MC transformer, silver cables and largest power amps are exceptionally good.) They no longer make their best product (a field coil cartridge). If you ever see one of these for sale you should get it (or tell me where it is!)

There are still a few well engineered, correctly voiced audio products around but I agree that they are hard to find among the dross.

best regards,
Guy

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Romy the Cat


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Some feline contraKondovism
 guy sergeant wrote:
Some of it, (the current speakers and some of the amplifiers) are in my view, not outstanding. Other items, (the big preamp, phono stage, cartridge, MC transformer, silver cables and largest power amps are exceptionally good.) They no longer make their best product (a field coil cartridge). If you ever see one of these for sale you should get it (or tell me where it is!)

Well, you see, it is always difficult with Kondo products. I agree that some of his stuff is quite dead, another is more interesting. The problems is that it never was possible (at least for me) to perform any more or less objective evaluations without diving deep into the AN's paranoia that eagerly supported by the Kondo dealers and owners. I always was turned off by a high degree of hypo pro-Kondo enthusiasm that the Kondo-crusaders usually expressed.

I’m familiar with Kondo “big preamp” and it left me without interest. I do not care about his phono-stage, as I believe in the different phonostages. Kondo does have quite interesting cartridges and his transformers are fine when the transforms primary sees 1 Ohm. (Hey, any transformer will be happy to see such low impedance!) I do not think that anyone else dose such a low Ohms cartridges. If someone would do them, and without the foolish silver obsession that Mr. Kondo unfortunately deeply subscribe, then it would be very interesting. BTW, the Kondo cables, from my point of view, are Japanese-Lowther-orientated crap, I had them…

BTW, I do not think that it is difficult to get “some” Kondo’s products. I do not know where you are but there is 40 miles from me a US’s Kondo distributor and, am sure, that if you like something that Kondo “no longer make” than it always possible to get it.

Rgs,
The Cat


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guy sergeant
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Re: Expressive Tech query

Can't say I share your abhorrence of all thing silver. My experiences have been somewhat different. I wouldn't however want to be accused of blinkered partisanship towards any particular brand though so I'll say no more about (some of ) the AN stuff. Can't say I share your fondness for either of the Koetsu or Shelter cartridges either (or especially the Denon 103!) None of these are top class in my humble opinion. We'll just have to agree to differ on them. I would however be interested to hear the ET transformer. What do you understand of their construction that makes them so well regarded? I see they were made in MA. Do you know the people involved / where they were wound etc?

Regards,
Guy

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Romy the Cat


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More about the silver.

 guy sergeant wrote:
Can't say I share your abhorrence of all thing silver. My experiences have been somewhat different. I wouldn't however want to be accused of blinkered partisanship towards any particular brand though so I'll say no more about (some of ) the AN stuff.

Actually, it is not my “abhorrence” of silver but just depressing facts about it’s sound. Believe me or not but I quite sensitive to detect silver’s presents in a playback system and there were many “bling” stories in the past…

Ironically, the presents of silver itself is not as bad (ET has some silver in it, Purist cables also do) but rather the designer’s stress of silver as an expressive tool is something that turns me off.  So far, and without exceptions, any manufacturing house that explicitly accented the value of silver within thier designs were failed short during my listening. In many instances I did not even know that some “pure silver” was used and I juts was commented that it sound like a silver-loaded… and here it were… it usually was the case. I have written in past, about all that silver paranoia the takes place in audio, but to recall it briefly here are just a few of my problems silver in sound:

1) Silver dehydrates sound. Pretend you have a certain sense of humidity of sound and pretend that this sense of humidity fluctuates with frequency. Silver dries upper bass and upper mid range and makes the sounds like the Sahara wind. The dryness itself is not the problem but the difference of sonic dryness within the frequency range is a highly annoying factor,
2) Silver wipes out the upper frequency information and substitute it with an artificial “presentation of high frequency screen” (sort of digitalized, micro-evented presentation that many people mistakably take as the evidence of “quality”). The “screen” does not sound like natural sound but rather as the presumptuous attempt to depicture the HF presents. This is why the “silverised upper frequency”, my hearing, are never properly integrated with the rest of the music.
3) 98% of silver cables that I heard artificially emphasized HF, not juts boost the amplitude but by injecting an accent that is a permanently damage music and is a non-curable audio effect.

There are many other problems with silver that sometimes might be attributed to adherent silver properties and sometime to the specific bad silver utilization. This all brings to the question of the questions: what is wrong with cupper?  Anyhow I have to note that I have seen some element that used some silver ingredients and blends to accomplish the specific purposed and it was fine. However, the situations when the companies and the individual people were stressing the “reimbursement” of silver-silver-silver usually juts did not sound appropriately. Furthermore all those people mostly turns out to be just holding the fashionable silver masks behind which was hidden a complete ignorance of the subject.  Besides, and it is quite interesting point: I know a guy who know very well how to work with silver and he affirms that by using the special precautions and with some expense it is possible to eliminate all known silver problems and make it sound like… cupper. This leads to the question that I asked before: what is wrong with cupper?

Rgs,
The Puss


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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To clear about the Denon-103

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 guy sergeant wrote:
 Can't say I share your fondness for either of the Koetsu or Shelter cartridges either (or especially the Denon 103!) None of these are top class in my humble opinion.

I sorry, I never was a fan of Denon-103. You may look at the thread:  http://www.goodsoundclub.com/TreeItem.aspx?postID=46. I do like the Shelter 901 a lot.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Romy the Cat


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 guy sergeant wrote:
 I would however be interested to hear the ET transformer. What do you understand of their construction that makes them so well regarded? I see they were made in MA. Do you know the people involved / where they were wound etc?

I am not qualified to judge what in the ET contraction made them to perform in the way they do. I can speak only about ET results and benefits. If you around Boston then feel free to stop by and I will be glad to demonstrate “how it works” I am not kidding: it is quite radical departure from any normal expectations from a step-up transformer - it is not only provide a gain but also it enriches each and single characteristic of sound. Yes, luckily to me they use to be made in MA, near Boston. I spoke with one of the guys who use to manufactured them and he told me that he did not wound them. I have no idea where it was done.

Rgs,
Romy


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Richard
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What is wrong with silver?

To my ears silver has a potential advantage over copper that unfortunately seems difficult to achieve. I've read that the advantage may come from the lower DC conductivity, and the problems from higher inductivity and skin effect, and lower internal damping. I believe the end result depends more on the implementation than the materials. However, with copper it is easier to get things right, while silver usually does more harm than good. Apparent detail is increased at the cost of bleached sound and boosted HF. I find "plain" silver works well only in the wiring and capacitors for my tweeters. As they cross at 12kHz the silver cannot mess up the rest of the spectrum. In this case it sounds more smooth and extended than copper, and I hear no integration problems.

Regards, Richard

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