GoodSoundClub - Romy the Cat's Audio Site - ProPower is the "Other" PurePower?

10-22-2015

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rickmcinnis
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Good introduction

Thanks for your generosity with your work.
I have been interested in smps since John Camille mentioned he was working on a filament supply using smps. Unfortuntely he died before this was finished. This was twenty years ago when mentioning smps around the typical SET enthusiast would have you escorted out of the club.
There has to be a way to make it work and it does seem one should be able to make less affected by the line.
I look forward, with Mr. Besnow's patience, to reading more about your power supplies.
Take care,

10-23-2015

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rowuk

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I find this fascinating

Thank you for sharing this. I have been experimenting with commercial switching supplies and various filtering schemes, but have not found a winning combination yet. I am very interested in trying this. Please make more info available.

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

10-24-2015

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Don C
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The original PurePower designer is back!

http://www.audiocominternational.com/latest-news/2015/08/propower-regeneratorsperfect-power-for-hi-fi/

They look the same as the 1050 and 3000 PurePower units!

Only available in Europe however.

Probably due to the crooks in Canada (PurePower Canada) owning the North American rights to the design.

10-25-2015

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drdna
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ProPower is the "Other" PurePower?

So, the "Contact Us" link for ProPower leads to:

Inquiries regarding the above Limited Warranty may be sent to the following address: ProPower, 4F, No.248, Sec.3, Pei-Shan Rd, Shen-Keng Dist. New Taipei City, Taiwan.

So, is this the Chinese company that PurePower originally contracted to manufacture their devices, that subsequently decided to market the devices on their own, bypassing the design copyrights? Or is there something else to this story I missed?

In any regard, I'd hate to have to ship a defective unit back to Taiwan, but I'm not sure if that would be worse than shipping it to Canada.

Adrian

10-25-2015

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Romy the Cat

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The original PurePower designer or the old myth about unicorn?

The story about Zaki Ye who "has devoted 30 solid years to the power electronics industry, all the while never forgetting his passion for music" is a nice ploy that worth as much as it takes to type it. I think it is the Chinese manufacturer is trying to recover his looses and use up some accumulated parts stock.

"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche

10-25-2015

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Paul S
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Truth Be Told

It APPEARS as though they have a few distributors on board, and they have put some more money into face plates, etc. I did not yet look up the referenced Chinese (Taiwanese) company, but some of those Chinese OEM plants are HUGE operations. I mean, who - at one time or another - hasn't thrown up their hands in frustration when they discover that all available "options" are so much alike that they are obviously sourced from the same OEM, from coffee makers to boots, to table radios, on and on, ad nauseum? At any rate, they are not hitting the ground running, rather it looks to be the same old slipshod type of venture, with the Canadians still barking at their heels, and pricing that offers no incentives for what will so obviously be a like (or even bigger) gamble.

And no need to doubt that the Chinese company has some experience in UPS, or that its Founder and Chief Bottle Washer "loves music", as long as we all understand that this means squat with respect to their products. Sometimes a little truth makes for the best lie.

Paul S

10-25-2015

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steverino
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This is not new

drdna wrote:
So, the "Contact Us" link for ProPower leads to:
Inquiries regarding the above Limited Warranty may be sent to the following address: ProPower, 4F, No.248, Sec.3, Pei-Shan Rd, Shen-Keng Dist. New Taipei City, Taiwan.
So, is this the Chinese company that PurePower originally contracted to manufacture their devices, that subsequently decided to market the devices on their own, bypassing the design copyrights? Or is there something else to this story I missed?
In any regard, I'd hate to have to ship a defective unit back to Taiwan, but I'm not sure if that would be worse than shipping it to Canada.
Adrian

When I ran across these folks some years ago, they had a standing offer to support and maintain the older pre move units. As far as I can tell, this hasn't changed; it's just that a few people here and there overseas run across it for the first time when looking for someone to support their units. Obviously with a more "normal" manufacturer people wouldn't be this desperate to find someone - anyone - to help.

10-26-2015

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PurePower
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The Chinese dealer list is not legitimate

Hi Dr Most of the dealers listed on the Chinese Ppowerus page are not actually selling the counterfeit units and several have asked to be removed from the list without response. None of the US listings are real. In fact, because the Chinese company was prohibited by the Florida courts from advertising or selling the products, the US Customs and Border Protection Service has notified all ports that such goods entering the US are subject to seizure.

10-26-2015

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PurePower
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The Original PurePower designer is Audiophile APS Inc, in Canada in 2004

Dear Don C
A few facts you are missing, and a libelous statement that need correcting.

The PurePower product was designed and manufactured in Canada starting in 2003 by Audiophile APS Inc., years before any production was outsourced to Taiwan. In fact, the company that began selling the counterfeit version was the second Taiwan electronics manufacturer making parts for PurePower and originally supplied only electronic components.

PurePower Partners LLC was formed in 2006 in New Jersey to market the product and is, and always has been, the owner of the PurePower® registered trademark and certain copyright circuit designs worldwide. There is no PurePower Canada, just PurePower Partners LLC.

PurePower Partners LLC was awarded $650,000 in damages by a Florida court against the Taiwan counterfeiters. If you are looking for crooks I suggest you read the judgement of the US courts. They leave no room for confusion about who was guilty of theft of intellectual property. We are still waiting for even a single penny of the court awarded damages, and for the offending web sites to be shut down as ordered by the US judge.

10-26-2015

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drdna
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ProPower = counterfeit PurePower

As you pointed out, the Chinese website looks to be a link to the Chinese company contracted originally by PurePower to build their units, who then tried to sell the units on their own, ignoring the patent.

I'm not sure how long since the website was updated since the "distributors" websites do not show any information suggesting they still sell these units.

I'd be very wary of sending any money to China for such a suspect product.

I am happy to report, however, that the unit that I got from PurePower (PP3000 Plus) has been working perfectly. In fact, it is much better, in my opinion than the original versions. No more annoying buzz when the unit is plugged in; this unit is absolutely silent in all modes of operation! Over time, the the sound seems to have continued to improve, and most important is the day-to-day consistency in electricity the unit provides. It was well worth the wait, and I couldn't be happier!

Adrian

10-26-2015

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Don C
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PurePower service in Canada

I am a very happy owner of the PurePower 1050 that I bought from Canada 5 years ago.
The 1050 works miracles on my system.
I do have doubts about service from Canada should my unit fail, due to many posts I have read on the internet.
Will they even service my old unit?

10-26-2015

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TonyB
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PurePower Sale at PartsConnexion

PartsConnexion has has PurePower 2000 and 3000 units on sale 35% and 32% off:
http://www.partsconnexion.com/fin_prod_purepower2000.html?utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1express&utm_content=pcX%E2%80%99s+BIGGEST+Promotion+Ever+-+25%25+Off+ALL+Capacitors+-+til+Oct.+31st+%21+35%25+Off+PUREPOWER%2B+2000+AC+Regenerator%3B+40%25+Off+AUDEZE+LCD-3+Headphones%3B+Up+to+70%25+off+MERIDIAN+551+Integrated+%26+502+Preamp%3B+85%25+Off+DUELUND+CAST-PIO+Copper+Caps
http://www.partsconnexion.com/fin_prod_purepower3000.html?utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1express&utm_content=pcX%E2%80%99s+BIGGEST+Promotion+Ever+-+25%25+Off+ALL+Capacitors+-+til+Oct.+31st+%21+35%25+Off+PUREPOWER%2B+2000+AC+Regenerator%3B+40%25+Off+AUDEZE+LCD-3+Headphones%3B+Up+to+70%25+off+MERIDIAN+551+Integrated+%26+502+Preamp%3B+85%25+Off+DUELUND+CAST-PIO+Copper+Caps

10-27-2015

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kodomo
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Response time!

It is interesting to see Richard here appearing and answering general inquiries so fast whereas he hasn't even replied my last email over a month nor send my battery pack of the unit for the last 8 months! I have half of your product and still nothing happening.

I have contacted Ontario bbb and their MCS but to no avail. I have been directed to Attorney General of New Jersey. So yes, they are not Canadian company but an an American one. I have some documents sent to me by Mcs as Purepower told them some problems happened but they are sending my battery unit on 28th of September 2015 (one month ago). Of course, nothing happened! At least I have that document as well, along lots of other broken promises on emails to send to the Attorney General of New Jersey. I will continue to pursue this as they are not completing my order. I will let people here know about it.

I just wish they were a straight company, doing honest business as they have a good product in their hands. I will let people here know if they ever complete my order which I paid for 8 months ago in full...

10-27-2015

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steverino
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Be advised

kodomo wrote:
It is interesting to see Richard here appearing and answering general inquiries so fast whereas he hasn't even replied my last email over a month nor send my battery pack of the unit for the last 8 months! I have half of your product and still nothing happening.

Well their response priorities are well known. If you are in Europe this doesn't help your current problem but there is a UK manufacturer of AV double conversion UPS devices that some members here have reported using with good results. The firm is PowerInspired and that is their URL with .com.

10-31-2015

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david82
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Criminals

kodomo wrote:
It is interesting to see Richard here appearing and answering general inquiries so fast whereas he hasn't even replied my last email over a month nor send my battery pack of the unit for the last 8 months! I have half of your product and still nothing happening.

I have contacted Ontario bbb and their MCS but to no avail. I have been directed to Attorney General of New Jersey. So yes, they are not Canadian company but an an American one. I have some documents sent to me by Mcs as Purepower told them some problems happened but they are sending my battery unit on 28th of September 2015 (one month ago). Of course, nothing happened! At least I have that document as well, along lots of other broken promises on emails to send to the Attorney General of New Jersey. I will continue to pursue this as they are not completing my order. I will let people here know about it.

I just wish they were a straight company, doing honest business as they have a good product in their hands. I will let people here know if they ever complete my order which I paid for 8 months ago in full...

"Interesting" would be one term, "despicable" would be another. I'm not sure why he would still be allowed to post here, at this point it has basically been confirmed that they're criminals.

10-31-2015

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drdna
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Just another audiophile company

Ha! Criminals is going a bit too far, unless you want to call all the audiophile companies criminals. I am not saying that is not the case, but the behavior of PurePower is not different from many other audiophile companies or many other similar businesses. Any company that has a very small capital size, making very specialized products in small volume for high prices but low margin - in essence any custom-made products - it is the same. Nevertheless, I have never seen this be out of malice. And I eventually received my product with enough patience and prodding.

Adrian

10-31-2015

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steverino
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The art of dilatory

I'm glad that Adrian is waxing philosophic but reviewing his prior posts he was plenty angry as he should have been. It wasn't his private complaints that got a response; it was the repeated public excoriations for years of a variety of people on a very prominent audio site that eventually produced a replacement. Yes they are a small company juggling suppliers and customers and employees. However, they are a definite outlier even in audiophile land in their clumsy, aggressively dilatory and obfuscatory manner. They are part of the problem in other words.

Quite frankly, these products are of greater importance to people living in countries with irregular utility power. You don't have to be an audiophile to notice the benefits in that situation. For me they are more useful in evening out the sonics typical of late night listening to the rest of the day. There are quite a few audio components that provide a more noticeable impact on the sound, even cables.

10-31-2015

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david82
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Let's be clear here

drdna wrote:
Ha! Criminals is going a bit too far, unless you want to call all the audiophile companies criminals. I am not saying that is not the case, but the behavior of PurePower is not different from many other audiophile companies or many other similar businesses. Any company that has a very small capital size, making very specialized products in small volume for high prices but low margin - in essence any custom-made products - it is the same. Nevertheless, I have never seen this be out of malice. And I eventually received my product with enough patience and prodding.

Adrian

I'm quite confused by this... Any company that "has a very small capital size, making very specialized products in small volume for high prices but low margin - in essence any custom-made products" takes people's money / equipment and repeatedly lies about what they are doing with it / doesn't communicate with its customers? Huh?
What's appalling about PurePower's behavior is precisely that this is not what any company in their position does. I have dealt with many. Honest businesspeople can have delays, run into cash flow trouble, etc., while at the same time being honest with their customers and being responsive. How a person or company deals with tough times is what separates honest / good ones from dishonest / bad ones.
I have dealt with a lot of companies similar to PurePower over many years in many different industries. None has behaved remotely as poorly as PurePower.
There's not much to argue about here. They've had my unit for a year and a half. Maybe they give it back some day, who knows. If I steal $2000 from you is that ok, if there's some possibility I give it back at some point in the future? Not remotely ok.

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