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Post Subject: Samizdat mentalityPosted by Joe Roberts on: 2/10/2009
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As for my critique of "imaging" I do reject the mindless way the term is used these days, particularly when musical perception is equated with visual perception and visual logic and terminology are used to discuss and evaluate system performance. Because you have developed the Pavlovian stimulus from the propaganda that you sucked it and apparently have developed a fear of. You did not see me taking about visual perception, do not even recognize what I was taking about but as soon word "imaging" pop up your Pavlovian response associated it wish the "soundstage mapping".


Well, if you look above to where my intitial foray into this critique occurred, one reader DID slip into the literal visual metaphor trap and that is who/what I was reacting to. As soon as you mention "imaging," you will invoke this association, regardless of what you personally mean by the word. That is why it is a trap.


As for the more inclusive and detailed multi-layered deconstruction of perceptual reality as practiced by Harry Pearson and Romy, this is an interesting experiment in phenomenology, as long as it is not confused with or made to interfere with the experience of joyful music listening.  It is unnatural to think about these things while listening to live music, so why switch when listening to a stereo? If you deal with me then deal with me. I care less who I remind you. Mind you that I know plenty people in audio whose view very much remind me what you pitch, the Harry Pearson as I know him would be one of them. You however do not see me to associate you with him, do you?


Actually, yes you did directly associate me with HP. But I don't mind, except that your characterization of HP in this context was inaccurate.

In the context I am evoking, my association of you and HP is a compliment to the extent that you are moving beyond the stale and shallow notion of "imaging" to a more complex and interactional model. However, since you see HP as merely a VCR salesman, you did not understand what I was saying. Your notions of the relation of imaging and soundstage are right out of HP's work or at least very similar.


Mind you that I know plenty people in audio whose view very much remind me what you pitch


Yeah, but I was among the first introduce a number of these concepts, as questions, rather than answers. What people did with it later is not my fault, any more than HP is responsible for simple minded distillations of "imaging."

You are not ready yet. BTW, the use of imaging as debugging tool is also eluded you , but it is OK.


You see, you are still comparing the live music with reproduced one. You just not there yet, there is nothing here to pretend.


Or maybe I was there 20 years ago and I am the one who has evolved beyond. I am past fetishishizing on gear and detailed quasi-scientific evaluation programs. I am a music listener again. All I care about, really, is my individual enjoyment.

I am not comparing live vs. memorex. I am criticizing the justification and even possibility of this comparison. I just listen to my shitty, imperfect stereo and try to enjoy it.

Also, do not worry about my "unnatural music listening habits"


As I said above numerous times. whatever it takes for you to enjoy, that is cool with me. I used to enjoy being super-geeky about this stuff myself. Sound reproduction is a very intriguing phenomenon. to be sure. But, for myself, I finally decided that plain and simple musical enjoyment is the highest goal and overintellectuallzed BS about stereos is an obstacle.

But this should not be about me or you. To the extent that intelligent discussion thrives, any of these positions are good starting points.

Of course, I am satisfied that my position fully engulfs yours and spits the bones out on the carpet. I know this because my stance allows yours to breathe but your stance requires fighting the world every morning, noon, and night.

Not an assault, but rather an obervation, perhaps your view of any commerical activity as evil comes from an upbringing in pre-capitalist Russia. Trade and markets are more than arenas for mob activity or enslavement of the proletariat. Commerce is a way people share, interact, and communicate. Most of the valuable contributors actually don't make much money at it, but this is how humans work.

Joe Rob

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