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In the Forum: Analog Playback
In the Thread: Buying a last cartridge.
Post Subject: My wild guesses and conjectures about cartridges.Posted by drdna on: 9/13/2008
 Romy the Cat wrote:

Possible, with all my conversation about Mantis I do not remember I ever made any guess or assumption how it might sound.  In horns, I feel I am qualified to make sometimes very bold assessments with very high precession about the sound of the things without even listing the installation. I might do it because I know patterns and have an experience to hear many elements and the connections of the elements. In cartridges I am clueless about design element and the implication of design chooses to sound. For instance to me it sounds ridicules that he offers a selection of cantilevers, body and the tips. I do appreciate however that he assures the chose will not affect the sound of the cartridges. So, I would not make presumption how is sound as ‘drdna’ did. Perhaps he has his own reasons, perhaps he can share them.

I was trying to make some very bogus calculations and assumptions in my head from a few things that Andre told but I was not able to. Andre has 3012 tonearm that he does not like and prefer to Micro Seiki MA77 tonearm. I well know MA77 (I had all Micro arms), consider it a good arm but having it right along width 3012 I found that SME (with my typical incase of effective mass to 25-30g) is richer , way more superior in bass and less “shallow” of I might say so. All my foundlings were in context of my cartridges that are not Mantis but the same way all Andre’s foundlings were in context of his ported mini-monitors. So, how to reconcile all of it?

The Cat


Yes, this is exactly right.  Since I used to work in a high end audio store (helping to repair things, not sell them) many years ago, and since then have had the privilege to listen to many many set-ups and particularly a lot of cartridges.  It is from this experience, I can guess (and it is only a guess) about what a cartridge may sound like.

The clues are in the manufacturer's stereo set-up which he uses to listen, which gives some clues about his objectives, as well as the specific design he implements into the cartridge, since these are elements which other cartridges I have heard have some of and which impart a certain advantage and disadvantage to the sound.

One can also guess based on comments from the buyers of the Mantis about what cartridges the move from and why they do it. And I did send some private e-mail to Andre asking him some specifics about the Mantis as well.

Of course, it is just conjecture.  To know, one must finally actually listen.  However, it is an educated guess, based on many years of listening to different cartridges and getting a feel for what the sellers and manufacturers mean when they say things in the context about the improvements.

From what I have heard said, the Mantis is probably a really great cartridge and would be an excellent replacement for Shelter in some respects but will also lose some of the special Shelter magic, but it will remain doing so within the limitations of the MC design.

Well,now I will go back and finish my Cohiba Espelndido. Wink

Regards,
Adrian

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