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In the Forum: Playback Listening
In the Thread: “How audio might sound”
Post Subject: Re: Let's suppose ....Posted by Antonio J. on: 3/13/2005

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 Romy the Cat wrote:

I disagree, Antonio. I feel that if that “Stressed Playback Demonstration” be conducted then a listener should not even be aware neither what components-topology were used nor what kind principles were utilized to accomplish the result. What should be avoided is a situation when a person heard something that he greatly appreciated and then stupidly run to a store and buy those black boxes – I have seen it many-many times and I always felt disappointed when it happened.




Well, we're human and we're all looking for something, some we know what we would like to "feel" when we listen to our systems and have some clues about how to get it, but we really don't know if those things will work in our room and for our own "personality" in the same way they work for the person setting up that "SPD". But having some ideas of the sonic attributes that accomplish that "feeling" would be very helpful. So you couldn't help that someone listening to such a system wanted to build a clone of it.

 Romy the Cat wrote:

Sure questions come later but who said that the answers should be delivered and who said that answers even exist? If an average person with a standard audiophile background would experience a great playback installation then this person NEVER able to identity the ingredients that were responsible for the system greatness. Here is an important part: whatever the ordinary audiophiles know or understand about audio  (no mater how little it is) has NO RELATION with the practical methods that should be used to accomplish those "great installations".

In fact, I do not believe that it possible to teach anyone to those "methods". You see, the key word in here is self-evolvement and an ability of a person to sense the things, to educate her/himself how and what to listen while they listening and his/her ability to react accordingly. I do not think that those things could be taught; they could be reached but not taught. Those skills and answers come from within and could be only self-developed. It like playing stings or building up a taste: you can certainly be trained but until you exercise at your own you never reach a high intensity of those “skills”.

Therefore, I think those “Stressed Playback Demonstrations” should juts reveal what is possible (and this is enough!!!) and then the person should be abandoned to be on his/her own. Any further assistance from the side of those playback builders would unavoidably inject the builder’s ego and it is a completely unnecessary not to say evil thing.

Antonio, be advised that I personally do not believe that those Stressed Playback Demonstration Rooms could exist in the format that I proposed: there are many objective reasons why.  At least they could not come up from the people who are plugged into audio industry. There are many self-regulating settings that severely limit audio professionals and hugely condition them,  and in the end unavoidably removes any audio potency from their hands and heads.

Rgs,
The Cat


Undoubtedly you're right, this would be just an exposition to "what can be done" and it would work for people with the same kind of background, interests and goals of the person setting up the SPD. If that system is setup for the best possible reproduction of recorded symphonic music and the eventual listener also wants to listen to huge choral works, perhaps it wouldn't work as good for him. This person should get his system to optimize his experience with the kind of music he wants to listen to.

The problem as I see it is that building these kind of "Ultrasystems" requires an inner growth and acquiring some skills and knowledge that in these times we're living people is not ready to spend on them. All they want is "plug and play", they want the results and don't want the hard work behind the results, which are so personal and self conditioned that aren't transferrable from one person to another. There are some very basic principles which can be tought, but little else. It's something comparable to learning to play a musical instrument, you can learn the fingers postions and movements, you can learn to read music, but nobody will ever teach you to feel what you're playing and how to transfer your own emotions, intentions and essence into what you're playing, unless you go into formulaic tricks.

Being exposed to a SPD would be interesting, but as you see it and I understand it should be, it might produce more distress and frustration than being as blind as most of us are now. It would be as frustrating as exposing a person eating survival pre-cooked food all his life to a delicious meal with belluga, the finest sirloin, cakes and wines you can find on Earth, cooked by the best cook, and after that leaving him back again to his survival food. Just a nice experience, but nothing that really can help you to get a better life each forthcoming day. You should be tought to cook, to get the condiments and to find the markets to get the food to be cooked. With that knowledge you'd be able to cook for yourself things closer to that delicious meal, or even better if you can do it completely adapted to your own taste, but without the basics, you can do very little. How could one learn the basics of "true music through audio"?

Regards,

Antonio

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