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In the Thread: Purist Audio Design vs. Purist Audio Design
Post Subject: A custom live wire in low viscosity fluid?Posted by Romy the Cat on: 5/16/2008

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 glaesemann wrote:
In the past you've referred to current loading in the context of cable length. I recently experienced this when I experimented with moving my amps. I needed to increase the IC length from 1 meter to 3 meters. The only IC I had at that length was an old Colossus. To my surprise (after settling in) the Colossus at 3 meters was more interesting than the Proteus at 1 meter. I knew that the very low output impedance of the Placette Active made it a great preamp for driving longer length RCA's, but I didn't expect it to sound more interesting.

Though this is off topic from the thread, I'll try a response to your cable frustration (one that I share). Does the specific sound you are looking for exist in an IC you already own? The older Dominus or Proteus fluid Rev, A or B? By benefit of the Japanese documented Proteus dissection, we know how a Proteus Rev. B is made. The trick is the fluid, but a serious lab analysis could show the composition. They may have used an off the shelf fluid, like a brake fluid. Since they used an off the shelf inner cable (still available) for the Proteus, maybe a dissection of the Dominus would show the same thing. The Japanese have already documented the build of the cable from their dissection, so all there is left is to Cryo all of the parts and find someone to build it, like you've done with the tweeters, horns, etc. I'll suggest J.D. of Jade Audio. He builds cables of his own design in his home and is most noted for his solid gold stranded IC's. No copper and no silver. He is not a normal cable builder in one special way. He published exactly how he builds them and even has given direction to interested DYIers in the past, not to mention he is most assuredly not profit motivated. He is in very poor health and the demand for Jade cables has increased, so I can't speak to his availability, but it is worth a shot. The whole endeavor shouldn't cost too much. Purist may not be happy, but it's not your fault that they discontinued the Rev. A and B's.

Tim



 glaesemann wrote:
Does the specific sound you are looking for exist in an IC you already own? The older Dominus or Proteus fluid Rev, A or B?

Yes, Dominus RevA and RevB were right cables with exception of those Rev B that were converted from fluid to sand material that Purist promoted at that time. I would like to have the fluided Dominus RevA and RevB to be slightly more cables in the very lowest end, the very lowest octave, but with loosing the stunning Dominus’ midbass and everything else. I did not know any cable that can do it but late years when I went into multiamping I stopped care about it.

 glaesemann wrote:
By benefit of the Japanese documented Proteus dissection, we know how a Proteus Rev. B is made.

I do not know anything about it. Can you provide a link? I have somebody who can read Japanese.

 glaesemann wrote:
The trick is the fluid, but a serious lab analysis could show the composition. They may have used an off the shelf fluid, like a brake fluid.

I do not think that the fluid is a big deal. I think the fluidness of the isolation is the key, I would use different liquid. In my past I tried silicon and Scotch Whisky and the result was very good. Would it be possible to have even better sounding fluid then what Purist users? I think so. Purist puts their wires in plastic isolators and then submerges them in their fluid. I do not like it. I would like to have naked live conductors floating in fluid. Use none corrosive fluid for instance the silicon fluid in silicon tubing… I consulted with scientific-oriented person and he advised me to use different type of oil to live wires. Anyhow, although I am interested to learn what kind antifreeze of brake fluid Purist uses and even I have access to the infrared spectroscope but I would not go for analyzing the Purist’s fluid in RevA and RevB. I feel it would not be right thing to do.

 glaesemann wrote:
Since they used an off the shelf inner cable (still available) for the Proteus, maybe a dissection of the Dominus would show the same thing. The Japanese have already documented the build of the cable from their dissection, so all there is left is to Cryo all of the parts and find someone to build it, like you've done with the tweeters, horns, etc. I'll suggest J.D. of Jade Audio. He builds cables of his own design in his home and is most noted for his solid gold stranded IC's. No copper and no silver. He is not a normal cable builder in one special way. He published exactly how he builds them and even has given direction to interested DYIers in the past, not to mention he is most assuredly not profit motivated. He is in very poor health and the demand for Jade cables has increased, so I can't speak to his availability, but it is worth a shot. The whole endeavor shouldn't cost too much. Purist may not be happy, but it's not your fault that they discontinued the Rev. A and B's.

Tim, it is all very interesting and I would like to learn about the Proteus’ inner wire juts for a sake of general education on the subject. However, I would not go for a duplication of what Purist did. Doing it you will save only money but there are more important in our live things then juts to save money. I would feel like shit using those duplicated Purist cables. It is not to mention that Purist is no my enemy and Jim Aud always was very cooperative with all my requests. If I build myself or if I sponsor somebody to build custom cable for me then it will not come from Purist know-how. It will be using fluid most likely but it will be all that would relate my cable with original Purist cables. 

Rgs, the Cat

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