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In the Thread: The most promising “best” commercial speaker
Post Subject: Cessaros cost is like “reality” in Las Vegas.Posted by Romy the Cat on: 3/10/2007
 RonyWeissman wrote: |
Well romy will probably disagree or maybe find it off topic but I am sorry there is huge margins built in somewhere if someone is trying to sell me wood cabinets with TAD drivers for 140k $. One of you guys can add it up for me and tell me if I'm wrong. thanks
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Actually it would be interesting subject to mention the Gamma prices; I think it still within the context of Cessaros thread. I have no problems that “coors” gently brings to the given thread sales, almost marketing agenda. My problems are not with the people who promote what they like but with the people who can not handle the consequences of criticism. In case of Cessaros Gamma, with knowing the more details I do not see lot of rational for criticism, at least from my side. Very generally I do not support an idea of the “last LF chants” as a horn because it is not open-bottom solution:
http://www.GoodSoundClub.com/TreeItem.aspx?PostID=3665
Sine it is $150K acoustic system then it should be form my point of view a more or less ultimate statement and 30Hz of most likely EQed bass (even presumably properly done) it is not where I would like to stop for $150K. it would be similar to Lamm ML3: not matter how it might be OK sounding amp but topologically it is not a final solution for SET amplifier and therefore it might cost $126K but it does not worth and an ultimate SET solution.
RonyWeissman is right the Gammas are 3 horns, 4 drivers and it is it. Sure Cessaros oblige anyone who do for Gammas to buy a two sets of the LF horns that are probably more expanse to ship, install and to make then the rest Cessaros horns. It is possible that the Cessaros LF section worth it I do not know – more data or audition is necessary. If they are stock TADs than we all know this prices and the entire Gammas (with LF) cost around -$10K or pretty much the very same as cost of my Macondo – they basically the very same systems. The Cessaros since it a prediction should twice less expansive to make. How Cessaros went from 10K+LF for 150K? Well, I think it is the way how it works in dan hi-fi. We are not bitching that sneakers that we pay $70 cost 34 cents to make we kind of use to it….
Well, I less concern about the absolute praise of Gammas – I let worry about it to the folks who are considering to but them - but I would rather to look at the Gammas form a different perspective: what options a person who is wiling to spend $100K for acoustic systems has today? I can name quite a few over $100K speakers that are incredible crap. There are some over $100K speakers that are not craps but have quite a lot of problems that I feel suck an expensive acoustic systems should not have. From my point of view if Gammas are properly done than even with TADs Gammas should blow many over $100K speakers out of water and I think this fact would be a good excurse for the Cessaros folks to price their top model at $150K.
It thinks it should be well understood that when we are talking about $150K level then there is not direct rational that relates the price to anything and the price refers only to an abstract number with which the sales people can still get away with. So, warmly accepting the Cessaros I mostly appreciate what they were truing to do form a perspective of horns progress but I completely indifferent and sightless to the prices they are wiling to extort from this customers. Perhaps if I pay my living expenses with audio sales I would feel different but since I do not I see little difference if Cessaros would cost $15K or $150K…
Rgs,
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