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In the Thread: 2+3 surround sound??
Post Subject: Interesting....Posted by Romy the Cat on: 7/17/2021
Well, Bill, I disagree what you're
saying. I disagree with surround sound, I disagree with the concert Hall
experience and I disagree with objectives to reconstruct concert Hall
experience. I'm not denying concert Hall experience itself I'm just saying that
it is not objective in audio at least for me. Reconstruction of concert Hall
experience is a method, one of expressive tools but not ultimate objective. The
ultimate objective is to "load” musical experiences, aesthetical, ethical
and subconscious encodings of musical event into the human brain. If we have
other avenues to do it then trick ears ten we would do it. Some musicals “get”
it by reading score, etc… Yes, in the high end audio we operate under
presumption that if we reconstruct musical Hall experience then we
automatically reconstruct all wonderful things which taking place there. I
disagree with this as I was many times in wonderful concert Halls I did not “get”
the Communication event, because
multiple circumstances. And I had many odd experiences when quality of the
sound was horrendous and there was no even implication over any high-end sound
production and I have spectacular music consumption experiences.
Do not take me wrong, the
Reconstruction of concert Hall experience is very noble and very complex
concept in Audio and we can spend our lives to achieve it and still to be not
there. Still it is a concern about the logistics of "method" not
about fulfilling the true objective of a ceremony. It is if you a priest and
your objective to distribute message of God and you focus on polishing candles
in your church then you do something similar to accomplishing the Concert Hall
feeling in audio. Saying all of it, I'm not in being
even remortly critical of what you've done. In fact what you have done in my
view should be shown to anybody who has interest in the subject because it is
beyond spectacular. In a way it is a freak show as knowing what I know about Audio
there it is absolutely unimaginable to receive this space information from your
room. If your room where 10 times bigger then it NOT be be 10 times better as
you would need to spend 50 times more money and energy to sound reinforce your room in a completely different
domain of sound reproduction.
I have seen similar experiences and
I even back at 90s experimenting I was experimenting with it myself. I had five
first original Revel channels, with two large subwoofers driven by five Lamm
amplifiers. I used Thieta processors, with separate low frequency delay
channels. I had very good result. However, if you compare what I achieved it
was unfortunate and it was still severely compromised compared to two channels
direct experience. I used that setup only for movies but then I get
disappointed with distribution of sound to the listening environment during
film watching and I got rid of it all.
I did not detect, and it was a big
surprise to me, those typical artifacts of multi-channel processing in your
room. In your room and some aspect of space presentation where absolutely
beyond anything that I heard. Is it something new conceptually or it is due to
the fact that you very smartly, intentionally or not, dialed down the
expressivity of your channels? I do not know the answer and the final result was
very satisfactory.
Now, I naturally ask myself is a
question. In design of my system I focus on slightly different aspects of audio
expressiveness and I feel that an objectives that I have my system does well. I
wonder if possible to incorporate what I have, without compromise, with what
you archived in terms of space information and notes connectivity. This is why I
would like to invite you to hear my playback and have the discussion on the
subject.
I personally I have my suspicion is
that your secret is not magical French processor, even though I would love to
experiment with their DAC as I feel should be very good. I think that with all
your 18 channels and that super precise French calibration machinery you beat
me in the game of time alignment. I think your channels are much more I accurately
aligned then mine because is this French device offer better options for this and
my old style analog alignment just
cannot offer that quality of measurements. I unleashed a project to beef up my
time alignment capacity and I will see where it will lead me. Also, I did ordered
some equipment to have Back and Central channels as complementary channels but
I have quite a lot of suspicious that with the means available for me for time
alignment I will not be able to get results similar to what you did. Your
French machine use pendulum time alignment and it is very difficult to do
manually, possibly but too tedious and difficult.
So, let's see where it will lead me.
In meanwhile you should sell tickets to your listening room as it is truly mind
expanding and thought provoking experience.
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