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guy sergeant wrote:

I'm sure there are many bad implementations of the 845 and 211. Almost all of the commercially available ones are pretty mediocre. However I have heard good examples of both so I know it can be done.

Actually I did not talk about the “bad implementations” but rather about a common quality of any implementations. Also, the “Jumbo Soundness” of 845, GM70, and in slightly less degree the 211, was moistly perceived by people as virtue, not as a shortcoming. In fact the people who make those amps bravado with the “largeness” of the sound.  As I said above the “big sound” is a virtue of acoustic system not an amplifier….

guy sergeant wrote:

I've yet to hear an impressive 6C33 amp so it wouldn't be my first tube of choice but I'm sure such an amp can exist.

Try the old version of Lamm ML2, you might learn a lot from that sound. I did.

guy sergeant wrote:

I find it amusing when people talk about the sound and character of different tubes when most of what they are listening to is the sound of the power supply attached to them. How you can conclude that this tube sounds 'grey' or that tube sounds 'big' is beyond me. Its like trying to describe the sound of a drive unit without reference to what enclosure it is used in.

Actually when I refer to “gray sound” I did refer to PS, didn’t I? I also was under presumption that when people built their SETs they use the PSs that benefit the given design. Still, I personally did not play with the “large triodes” and whatever I was able to heard form those amps I accept “as is”.

guy sergeant wrote:

Keeping power supply considerations constant, I am currently enjoying using the often overlooked small DH triodes like the 26, 12, 10Y and 71 as line stage or input/driver stages (particularly when choke loaded or transformer coupled) These are all preferable to my ears to the more commonly used and 'modern' higher mu tubes.

If you prefer the specific tubes in context of the keeping the “power supply considerations constant” then why do you “find it amusing when people talk about the sound and character of different tubes”?  It is not the question that requires an answer but juts a rhetoric point of inconsistently of judgments….

The caT

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