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In the Forum: Playback Listening
In the Thread: There is nothing subjective in music reproduction.
Post Subject: The Nietsche of my tail.Posted by Romy the Cat on: 3/21/2006

 Thorsten wrote:
....because where humans are concerned objectivity does not exist

Thorsten, as many times we talk about it as many times you completely in denial of a very simple and very powerful thing that the human perception itself, as an evaluation boundary, is a completely and objective force.

 Thorsten wrote:
Not only is it neccesary, but essential. Any attempt of an "objective" evaluation would require cognisance of what is in objective existence. As the only way to evaluate the "objective" reality is by using our senses and by using them to interpret experiments we set up based upon the evidence of our senses we do not have access to any objective reality as such. If you need more, try Bishop Berkley, Hume, Kant, Nietsche for starters (I'll only recommend the light reading on the subject).

Well, it is a quite a departure from the subject of 6C33C. Still, I do not know why you go into all of this and partially why you need to send me to Kant, Nietsche, Hegel, Spinoza, to the  Existentialism, Subjective Idealism and Transcendental Idealism. I went there in my teens, so what? They are all highly useful but nothing from what you argue has any relation to the subject of objective perception of playback. Evaluation of playback has nothing to do with “objective existence” because by evaluating playback we do not asses “state of being” but a “state of dynamic”. Doing this we do not new any pointers to objective references. It is would be like you invented a multiplication sight. You do not really care what it would multiply as your invention is action not a subject.
Look, T, the thing that you from my perspective do not get is that fact that by objectively assessing Sound of playback an expert does not really access the Sound of playback but rather the objectively quantifiable quality of the reproduces musical content. I am talking about pure quality of music content that has very littlie to do with Sound as it understood in Audio. Pretend you and I went to a performance in Queen Elizabeth Hall and then we exchange our opinions about the depth of the given performance projected to the specific performed peaces. The very same happens with the playback systems. The  excellence and  nusical "qulety" of the Content Loaded Material™ is something that is in an epicenter of attention. The audio under this light is view only as the external discrepancies and those discrepancies are very objective, at lease the delta of this subjectivity is order of magnitude less then juts “evaluating sound”. This is the reasons why I always said that the people who assess the performance of playback by the Content Primitive Materials are juts wasted audio-morons. As soon a person exposed to “heavier content” as soon all his/her mental prejudices about “subjectively” get evaporated….

 Thorsten wrote:
So, we cannot reproduce "just sound" as we have no real clue what sound is.

Sure we can. It is what the audiophiles do – reproduce Sound that has not reasons or needs to be reproduced. The people who use sound for something more then juts sound itself have no problems to define what sound is

Rgs,
Romy The caT

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