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Post Subject: Celibidache is a strange fruit.Posted by Romy the Cat on: 10/25/2013
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The Celibidache popularity is in my view is kind of inflated by his withholding his recordings during his life time. I personally have very bad experience with Celibidache. Long time ago I bought an expensive Celibidache box set with Celibidache recording of Bruckner with Stuttgart radio. That is in my view the worst Bruckner music I ever heard and I hate it tremendously. I can writhe 543 pages of rage with explanation how bad it is and then I would probably need a good shower to clear the memories of that play. Celibidache recorded Bruckner with Munich and it was much better. I heard some of it and I need to admit that I never was able to go over something that I have seen he did in the recordings with Stuttgart. I am taking about the ”fakeish unfilled meaningfulness” that feel in some Celibidache/Munich moments and in each bar of Celibidache/Stuttgart endeavor. With Munich Celibidache structurally there but it is some kind of intellectual structure, almost contrived structure. With Stuttgart the structure is pointless. The poses between the notes and phrases are not juts empty but idiotic. I even feel disgusted to write about it and the memories of that garbage are coming to my mind as I am writing about it. With Munich it was much better but I remember that it was kind of “concert” version of structure. It was almost like a play during a conservatory graduation what they try to play “nice” instead of just playing nice. There was some timing balance in there that I did not like and some sense of gentleness and unassumingness that I felt was not there.
Perhaps I need to re-listen Celibidache with Munich and try my Celibidache/Stuttgart experience do not poison me. Anyhow, whatever you do stay as far as possible from Celibidache/Munich box sets.
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