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In the Thread: Eventually - a reasonable midbass horn from GOTO
Post Subject: My interest in Goto drivers.Posted by Romy the Cat on: 6/24/2011
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Ok, since you people stop to drop the euphoric saliva around the Goto subject I think it would be worth to outline my interest in Goto. Not only worth but I kind of feel an obligation. I feel that my site surprisingly has become a resource that has the most valuable information in English about Goto drivers. Ironically I do not even use Goto drivers but if you look at the sites where people do use them then you will see nothing more than idiocy expressed - never made a secret that I am not satisfied with level of discussion that Goto people are able to support. Feel free to read other sites and make your mind. I was trying in part to raise some issuers, like here for instance in my dialog with Summ:
http://killerdac.com/forum/index.php?topic=60.435
…but besides Summ that site figured German and Asian Goto dealers with whom to talk about sound is like to explain to cockroach a theory of general relativity. Anyhow, whay I wouls like to talk is not about the Goto drivers but about 3 very specific zone of interest that I have about Gotos.
1) I do not care about Goto bass drivers, the people who understand my ideas about playback organization can easily figured out why. However, Goto has one very interesting driver SG146LD4. It is a compression driver with 4” exit and this driver might be very interesting candidate to try in upperbass horn. For sue it need to be modified to have resonance frequency match my upperbass horn and then it would be very interesting to see if it will be able to compete with a compression driver that I made from Fane Studio 8M. I do not know the outcome and I would not predict it. I most likely never try it and it is too large project to assure the proper performance of the unknown Goto unit and it will ruin my current upperbass setting. I am not frustrated with my current upperbass to undertake this project. Still, I would be very interesting if someone with brain and ears would go to this rout and publish the results.
2) It would be very interesting to try Goto SG-370 series drives in MF. Again, I am not sure that I would undertake this task as the task would imply a major investment of time and efforts. Nope the investment are no in the cost of the drivers. The street price of Goto MF driver in Japan is very compatible with the price of better JBL and TAD and at used market they sometime are sold for 1K pair. The cost does not come from the drivers but with the efforts to make the driver to sound in the way they do the best. IT take time, it takes amplification, modification of horns, loading and many other thing to assure that a given driver in context of given application does it’s best. I have no frustration with my current MF driver and I do not know if I go for this research if I have a free pair of Goto sitting in my room. I can predict that if I did then most likely the satiation will be very similar with my parley to electromagnets. There were very positive moments with electromagnets but there were negative. I did not find that the positive moments were so remarkable that they outweigh my desire to capitalize on the positive moments and to ruin what I have. I need to hear the truly mind-expending results from Goto in order to adopt it for experiments. I do not have this experience personally and very skeptical toward to the experience of others. Sure, I have an interest but if this interest will have a change to be satisfied I do not know.
3) This is the very main subject to me: I do not know if Goto can do tone. In my hierarchy of values tone fly very high and I am a bit concerned if Gotos are tone-able. I did not know any single driver that it self-sufficient in tonal world. I do not say that Goto is more or less capable in tone world then any other driver but faces it: we do not know where tone comes from in audio. In my own playback I use tone-reach driver but even with it I did not find it sufficient and went for a very deliberate and very measured tonal injection. As a result my MF is very complex combination of my MF driver output, the Injection channel mix and the MF amp distortions. It is very complex but it is very potent. Would a single driver, regardless of the driver name, be able to introduce the demanded level of sonic character and tonal power with the same level of measured precisions? I do not know but I do know that with a single driver there is practically no way to moderate tone. As I said I do not know the tonal power of Goto, the GIP, ALE and I for sure do not see any interest in it among Goto users.
So, how I think my curiosity about Goto might be advanced? I think sometime in future it might happen that an experience with Goto sound person would come to my listening room, hear the Sound that I have and would point out the specific problems with my Sound and would explain to me how Gotos might or might not address it.
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