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oxric wrote:

I just wished you would find it in you, out of fairness and common courtesy, to keep the thread within the boundaries within which it was raised, that is a technical discussion on the approach of Frank Shroder to the design of his tonearms. Remember some of us, like you, may not assiduously frequent some of the other forums populated with maybe less ‘interesting’ contributors. Some of us, unlike you, may not have the funds to spend on a tonearm that cost as much as a decent second-hand car or feed a whole village in a developing country for a year. Irrespective of Frank Shroder’s pricing strategy, however, if one was looking for one’s very last tonearm, then $7000 may be in that context a reasonable price to pay. Given that the true masters of the art of making tonearms are a declining and dying breed, it would appear a good thing if one would make Frank Shroder feel welcome to take part in a technical discussion without fear of being attacked because of the virulence of your feelings for a third party with whom he has merely a business relationship on the face of it.

I do not share this sentiment. Honestly, all conversation that Frank Shroder put up do not truly have any meaning if there is no reference point how it all relates to anything. It is like a DC voltage. It might measure 4V but if you ground at minus 40V then you need really re-interpret what voltage you have and absolute number become less relevant then relative numbers. The people who run their mouths on all imaginable technical subjects are fine but how it all relates to sound? Well, go the same diyaudio.com and read the pontification of Dr. Geglee about loudspeakers. He is unquestionably a very clever fellow but sonically he has intelligence at a level of a marble statue. Most of the DIYers in audio are the very same boat and my position about them is well known. Again, tonearm is not the objective, the sound that a tonearm does is. That is the target of the interests. I am ok when people use different right or wrong theories or concepts to make audio. I am OK what people do not give shit about sound and use audio juts as money making tool. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. The Oswald Mills cretin is in very different business – it is not about money and it is not about audio. You need to know the person to understand what kind aberration it is. Frank Shroder deals with this aberration and he shares business with him. So, Frank Shroder is the person of Jonathan Weiss level - there is nothing further could be said and his technical discussions worth as much as Weiss “technical discussions” or the “technical discussions” or that Brazilian AudioVoice retard.  I do extend anathema to all that trash and if Frank Shroder is willing to be part of it then it is his chose. I have no need to advocate my position.

oxric wrote:

Maybe I just don’t get it but this seems to say that all music, at all its various stages, is concerned with interpretation and it is our shared culture that makes us react in a certain way to the musical event. We may not like the composer, Romy, or the manufacturer , or the ‘Weiss-noise’ but surely the human element cannot be eliminated and is always essential whether we like it or not. Frank Shroder may not have the creative power, or the inclination, any more than you or I do, to compose music but he is no less an important part of our hobby’s landscape. We may not like his business relations, but these are not the same as affiliations, and we ought to listen in case he has something interesting to add to this ongoing  debate about audio that will continue long after you or I have left these mortal coils. You do seem to have a fondness for Richard Wagner as a composer, even though he authored Das Judentum in der Musik ("Jewishness in Music", 1850), a polemic directed against Jewish composers in general. Sometime we need to look beyond our immediate gut reaction or there is a lot which is good about life, and people in general, that we will miss in our too short lifespan.

Oxric, are you under some kind of impression that I do not like Weiss’ speakers or his amplifiers and it makd me to behave in the way I do? You are very naïve then. Take me serious. My abhorrence of that dirt is at much more sane level then this. Wait until the Oswald Mills “human” kidnap your wife and sell her to some kind of slavery. Then he will use the money he got to promote something you have spent you live to fight against. Then when he run out of money he will send you an invoice to demand pay more. Then he will start a marketing campaign that would tarnish you as a person who ordered from him an expensive tonearm but refuse to pay the closing invoice. This is not so much fantasy – this is how that human waste lives and thinks. Good luck Frank Schroder with your associate!

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