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In the Forum: Analog Playback
In the Thread: Sensible record cleaning: vinyl piranhas and record Vaseline
Post Subject: The records were abused in past.Posted by Romy the Cat on: 11/16/2009
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 drdna wrote:
To me, there are three types of problems:

1a) grime piled on top of a record
1b) defective vinyl piled on top of a record
2) scratches cutting into the vinyl

Type 1 deflects the needle upward and Type 2 deflects the needle downward. Because I am always listening to the absolute phase of each song (it is always different for each album), I think I can hear this. Certainly I know if I switch the absolute phase of the system, I can hear the noise clicks also change their sound. This is the easiest way to tell if something is to be cleaned.

Many times also if the noise is Type 2, a lot of this is actually Type 1B, due to small jagged edges rising up around where the scratch is. If only we could cut those tiny jagged edges off! The best I can do is to use an old heavy needle/tonearm with a lot of inertial mass and play through that area.  The needle just sort of rams through the obstruction and removes a bit of the noise, like using a lathe. This is a lot less destructive than it sounds. I just play the area with an old needle; when I go back to my usual needle, the noise has reduced, not gone away of course, but reduced.

 Excellent post, thank you. I have no luxury of absolute phase for a few years…. I do use your second needle/tonearm approach but I do not attribute it to the inertial mass but rather to different profile of needle. I kind of have a mental picture how noise might sound what it played with my reference stereo, mono and stereo conical needle but sometimes it give to me an interpretable message. More frequently however if confuses as there are many different types of worn with all imaginable abuse in past.

 Paul S wrote:
Adrian, wouldn't another microscope problem - besides a light source - be the depth of field problem with the typical "one barrel" microscope?
Yep, you are very right – the “depth of field” makes the visual record inspection not useful. To do into the grove you need 500X microscope. I in my past was trying to employ a microscope to educate myself about the grooves but to get any more or less interpretable picture I needed 600x scope. With this magnification the depth of field is smaller then the height of the grove. At that time I even was thinking about the grooves reading scanner … there were many stupid ideas. In the end it boiled down to me that instead of wasting time to analyze the condition of grove it is better to buy another record that might have less noise.

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