for me, in answer to your first question.
Another example comes to mind is: Ernest Hemingway and his writings. To me he is a skill-less dabbler (German = Stümper), but to others -- some elevated free-spirited writer re-defining prose!? Let me leave it at that, lest some Hemingway fan is going to feel really offended.
So Brahms and Hemingway have something in common, in that they split the ideas as to whether they were self promoting impostors (mostly), or some of the greatest artists of their time.
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